Part 2 of my interview with Daniel A. Wilson, LIVE from Moose Lake, Minnesota’s MSOP (Minnesota Sex Offender Program).

Daniel has been very instrumental in exposing the horrors that happen in this shadow prison disguised as a hospital and bringing to light all of the injustices that are happening there.

Whether people believe it or not, we are all at risk of the same things happening to us, innocent or not.

Thank you for watching this segment of Joshua “The World’s Mayor”…..

The effects of Indefinite Detention:

Statement for the Record by the Center for Victims of Torture U.S. House of Representatives Committee on the Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and Citizenship “The Expansion and Troubling Use of ICE Detention” September 26, 2019.



The Indefinite Nature of Immigration Detention, Particularly When Prolonged, Can Cause Both Psychological and Physical Trauma. CVT considers detention “indefinite” when it is without charge or trial for an undefined duration throughout which the individual does not know when or whether she will be released. In the immigration context, length of detention often depends on a variety of factors, most of which are entirely outside of detainees’ control and are not clearly communicated or predictable. Individuals typically have limited access to information about their options or what they can do or expect at each stage, and the information they do receive may be in a language (or legal jargon) they do not understand.

iii From three decades of experience healing torture survivors, CVT knows that indefinite detention can cause such severe and protracted health problems that it rises to the level of cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.iv The indeterminacy of indefinite detention can be overpowering—it creates such uncertainty, unpredictability, and loss of control over the basic aspects of one’s life that it seriously harms healthy individuals, independent of other aspects or conditions of detention. Indeed, as CVT has previously explained, “medical examinations have documented indefinite detention leading to profound depression and vegetative symptoms, with all the attendant degradation of multiple aspects of health.”v Indefinite detention’s harmful psychological and physical effects can include: · Severe and chronic anxiety and dread; · Pathological levels of stress that have damaging effects on the core physiologic functions of the immune and cardiovascular systems, as well as on the central nervous system; · Depression and suicide; · Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD); and · Enduring personality changes and permanent estrangement from family and community that compromises any hope of the detainee regaining a normal life following release.


vi Many of CVT’s clients who were subjected to indefinite detention speak of the absolute despair they felt, never knowing if their detention would come to an end. Fahran worked as a translator to the U.S. Army in Afghanistan. He fled to the United States after being targeted for this work. After several months of travel via planes, road, and rivers through Dubai, Brazil, Ecuador, Colombia, Central America, and Mexico, he arrived at the U.S. border. He was ultimately transferred to a Texas detention center, where he remained for 23 months before being granted asylum. He spoke of the state he observed in other detainees there. “I saw people who lost their minds. They couldn’t take it. It just became too much. One guy was not able to eat. He wouldn’t talk. He felt too much pressure; he started to breakdown. Then he just vanished from the dorms and we never knew what happened to him.”

vii As one CVT clinician explained: “Imagine living with the constant question: Am I ever going to get out of here? . . . In the context of everything that is happening—from apprehension at the 3 border and throughout their time in detention—the indefinite nature of the detention experience is a destructive blanket over it all.”

viii Indefinite detention also affects individuals beyond the detainee himself / herself. When a loved one is indefinitely detained, families are separated; parents, spouses, and children can suffer— and have suffered—similar feelings of uncertainty, unpredictability, and uncontrollability, leading to the physical and psychological effects described above.

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Joshua T Berglan 0:50
All right, we are back. And Daniel’s calling back in. So here’s part two,

Daniel A. Wilson 0:59
a client at the most like secure treatment facility, call for center to monitoring and maybe recorded Your call will not be conducted. Thank you for using GTL

Joshua T Berglan 1:11
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All right, continue my man welcome back.

Daniel A. Wilson 1:28
The Department of Justice has filed an amicus brief on our behalf. There’s a lot of guys here who have interpreted that the DOJ is taking over and the DOJ is doing this. They’re not taking over anything. They’re they’re defending our 14th amendment due process right to a fair trial. Which is great, because there’s the Department of Justice they’ve got, you know, they got they’ve got the power. But they haven’t taken over the case, I hope they do. And they can they can do what’s called a motion to intervene. Or they can just go ahead and sue the state of Minnesota. I would like them to do that. Right now. This is kind of the infancy stages of their involvement. And they’re doing, I think it’s probably the lowest amount of involvement they can be in right now. Because we haven’t had a fair shake. And this is kind of a warning shot to the circuit. To give us a fair trial in 10 years, like I said, it’s been stalled. It’s been continued. It just goes on and on. There’s a ton of evidence in support of us evidence that shows that the state has no intention of releasing anybody whether they’re mentally ill or not. They have no intention of giving us psychiatric evaluations to make sure that we’re getting proper care. So all be under the scrutiny of the court right now. We’re hoping it’ll go well. But I think that one of the biggest problems we’ve had in this process for the last 10 years is there’s been no public oversight, the public is not aware of this court case, and the impact that it will have, whether we win or lose. People need to realize that listeners, I really hope that they understand that they are at risk of being in a mental health facility, for no reason at all. The laws of Minnesota especially, are set up right now that I can think of two accusations against you, Josh Bergland, and said that you sexually, sexually harass somebody on two occasions. And I can have you locked up in here tomorrow. And I can put you on what’s called a 210 hold, awaiting trial. And all I have to do is convince a judge that you did this. And I can have you locked up for life. The standard is not beyond a reasonable doubt like the criminal system. Clear evidence, all I have to do is convince the judge, you don’t get a jury trial. And I don’t have to prove anything. I just and it’s been done over and over and over. And I know multiple guys here who are completely innocent of any crime. And it goes through the criminal justice system. They went through the civil court system. And they’re here for quote, unquote, and there is no treatment. It’s all a sham. It’s a prison building housing up to 750 Men locked up in the system. And 12% of those men are innocent of any crime and not a single one of them are here for a crime. So I don’t want to clarify that they have crimes. Okay, some of them have marked maybe something have crimes. But when they went to court for this, nobody said hey, these guys are criminals. They need to be locked up here. They were lost the case. They said they’re better li l, they need to. Wow, that’s how they got and the standard for streaming. Wow.

Joshua T Berglan 5:13
Oh my gosh, man, this is so mind blowing because everything. You know, this is so similar to the CPS crimes that we hear about and how well organized, the people are in that place, whether it’s the judge the caseworkers and so on, like how interconnected they are, and how organized they are to be able to well get what they want done. And it’s typically not in the favor of the public or the people, the parents. And this sounds very similar to what you know, your you guys are going through, even though it’s a different situation, for the most part. It is it’s troubling. And then of course, we have all the other people, the elite and the ruling class in this country and around the world that are doing the very things and worse that the people they’re where you are, are accused of. And it’s so it’s so disgusting to me. And the thing that I like about you a lot Daniels that you didn’t say, Well, I’m gonna say it, like you’ve admitted to what you did. And mind you, it’s not near as bad as some of the other things that we’ve heard about. But you’ve given your life to the Lord, you serve, you serve the Lord behind bars in a shadow prison. And you’re fighting the fight for the rights of other people, believers and non believers alike. So I’m amazed how you’ve taken such a gross Miss Miss it a gross injustice that you’ve experienced, and yet you’ve found a way to make purpose out of it. And I think it’s really, really beautiful. And it’s very, very powerful. So I want to commend you for that, because that can’t be easy for you.

Daniel A. Wilson 7:02
I’m glad you said that. It is easy, though. And I’ll tell you why. When I was second grade, I broke 16 windows out of a warehouse, we lived next to and I got caught. And I went to court and the judge I was like, I don’t know how this is second grade or a judge or lack of Broward County, Minnesota. He looks at my dad, he says well, Mr. Wilson, what do you want us to do with your son? And my dad, without hesitating said, throw the book? What can you do? I didn’t, I didn’t have any problem with my dad taught me the hard way. But he taught me if you’re going to be a criminal, you’re going to you’re going to do the crime gonna do it. That’s how you want to live your life, that you have a choice to live your life like that. And I respected that. And I made bad choices. But I made choices with an understanding that I’m gonna have to pay the consequences for the choices. So when I went eventually went to prison for fourth degree criminal sexual conduct for grabbing a nine year old girls, but without or without, there’s no consent to that was drunk and I did something stupid. But I got caught. And I went to prison for it. I didn’t. I didn’t cause possible appeal it I didn’t complain about it. I did my time. And that was it and never fought the system just to fight the system. I only fought and when I was writing this this was wrong and this is this is

American no problem. This is problem. And I want to add some may I know I tend to go on and I

interrupt. I want to touch on something that’s rushed tonight. I hope you guys get to talk to the rest of your visit the plant I’m calling you a little later. And then you guys can kind of see his perspective of this. But I want to point something out. It’s a little bit different than what I’ve talked about before. So this whole system falls under what’s called the Minnesota commitment and Treatment Act, which is codified that Minnesota statute 253. And it’s Minnesota’s version of what is known nationally as sexually violent predator laws or SVP laws. There. There are 20 Other states including Minnesota that have SVP laws. The American Psychiatric Association is vigorously opposed to these laws, for the reasons, stated they’re not psychiatrically sound, they’re locking up people who are not sex offenders and they’re locking up people who are not mentally. 30 states that don’t have these laws actually have lower rates of sexual violence in those states. So there’s this argument out there that we know this is illegal, but is it protecting the public? That’s what people want to know? The answer is absolutely not. There is no justification for the 30 states that do not have SVP laws, have lower recidivism, recidivism and have a lower sexual offense rates than Minnesota, which has this extremely expensive, extremely ineffective program that houses people before they’ve committed. Not after before, and it doesn’t work. It’s not affected. Eric Janis is the former president and dean of Mitchell Hamline School of Law in Minnesota, he’s the leading expert in Texas, better policy, Minnesota. And I want to read a quote from him, he says, quote, there’s no observable correlation between having an SVP law and greater safety. Do not spend money on these programs, figure out other ways of using your resources to fight sexual violence. The fctm commitment and Treatment Act, employees institutionalized treatment. Treatment that houses individuals in a secure facility 10s of 1000s of individuals who receive this treatment are actually being made worse rather than that. And that’s according to study out of Brooklyn. This stuff is all over the internet, you guys can find it very easily. The program in Minnesota costs $100 billion every year to keep this program running, effective in preventing sexual assault. And Rosid, I advocate for the reallocation of the 100 million dollars for programs like Minnesota Coalition Against Sexual Assault, and stop it now, these are two programs we’ve been studying for a while now. And we’re pretty impressed by meqasa has been up to 88% effective in preventing sexual assault, whereas SVP laws are less than 1%. So there’s a very, very small, miniscule piece of evidence that says this might be helping a little bit, because we are locking up a lot of people with criminal records, and some of those people might be apt to commit another crime. But it’s like, it’s like less than point five, it’s pretty, pretty small. If that was the only program that does the best we can do in our society, I’d say throw all the money in Canada. It’s worth it. You know, if we can protect one child or one female from being raped or whatever, then it’s worth it. A lot of collateral damage. A lot of people get locked up that shouldn’t. But it’s worth I would say that. But we have programs that are 88% effective. Why don’t we put our money there? It doesn’t make sense. This law is putting Minnesotans at risk of being sexually assaulted, because we’re taking money away from programs that are 88% effective and giving it the programs that are less than 1% effective. So Minnesota is more dangerous than it would otherwise be if we put the money in the right place. repealing this law is the safest thing we can do in Minnesota. It’s mind blowing, that we would spend that kind of money on something that is proven to not work.

When we have programs that do work, that don’t house people unconstitutionally for 3040 50 years. It’s not necessary because they do it. So to protect Minnesotans from being sexually assaulted, I say that we have to end this and put $100 million towards the programs that are affected. Wow.

Joshua T Berglan 14:29
What what are the when when do you think? Or do you even think about this, that you’re gonna get out?

Daniel A. Wilson 14:39
That’s a great question. I’ve been here five years and 35 years old. I have a wife that a 10 year old daughter. I had a career. I was a block layer. I was a construction worker. I was good at it. I you know, those are things I can’t even think about. On a day to day basis, you know, I’ve been in prison with lifers who have a chance of remaining. I have been with the guys that have had a chance of parole after 30 years. And they think about their, their wife and their children, their career, they think about that. Because there’s a chance I don’t even have space in my mind for that to happen. It’s a different world than even a life are different. Because we don’t have a chance of getting the hardest questions Yeah.

Joshua T Berglan 15:42
Well, Brother, I know that time is wrapping up. But I just wanted to tell you that we are praying for you and pray that there’s a solution. Stay in touch with me, let me know when you have an update again, and

Daniel A. Wilson 15:55
I don’t mean to cut you off, but you might have a comb or time.

Joshua T Berglan 15:57
Actually, I can’t so but i do i We can do this again another time. Of course, just not able to right now.

Daniel A. Wilson 16:10
Thank you for using TTL Wow.

Joshua T Berglan 16:15
I can’t even imagine such a very strange thing to even imagine, like the only way I can picture it is movies. And, you know, who knows how realistic that is? We’d like to ask because I again, whether this is the first time you’ve heard any of Daniels story, or you’ve seen the other two broadcasts that go into more depth of what’s going on. You know, pray for him, please because he’s, I can’t imagine what he was going through. I always think of Shawshank Redemption. Where does it Shawshank Redemption that movie and when Andy goes into the hole that’s in that I can’t imagine what was going through Andy’s mind. And, you know, this is essentially the same situation. Just heartbreaking. And here it is, you know, I can get frustrated and ungrateful for the troubles and struggles that I have in my own life. And that, you know, things aren’t exactly the way I want them to be. I’m going to talk to Daniel or my friend Tom or other people and just hearing what they go through. And I’m so fortunate. Well, anyway, thank you so much. For listening. We’ll be right back after these messages.

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