Part 1 of my interview with Daniel A. Wilson, LIVE from Moose Lake, Minnesota’s MSOP (Minnesota Sex Offender Program).

Daniel has been very instrumental in exposing the horrors that happen in this shadow prison disguised as a hospital and bringing to light all of the injustices that are happening there.

Whether people believe it or not, we are all at risk of the same things happening to us, innocent or not.

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Joshua T Berglan 0:13
He hi Hey Hey welcome to Joshua, the world’s mayor, I’m so excited to have you guys here today. Today’s broadcast is actually going to be part of it will take place and a shadow prison. We’ve had Daniel on before. Actually, I’ve had Daniel on twice. One time, just him the other time his mother joined us. And if you ever saw a conversation with Joshua T Berglund, my old show, you can hear both of those interviews. And so long story short, Daniel is a convicted sex offender. And he’s admitted his crime. And mind you. And when we think of sex crimes, we think of I at least I know what I think of. And it’s not really pleasant. It’s not nice. It’s not kind. It’s disturbing. And frankly, well, it’s hard to digest, especially as somebody that has been molested and has a past history of sexual deviancy and other things. So the first two interviews that we did, were really hard to get through because it stirred up a lot of emotions inside of me. And, you know, so we’ve maintained context since those original interviews, and I’ve gotten to know him quite well. I gotta tell you, Daniel has his heart for God is something that’s pretty special, and itself. And I believe with everything in me that he is been rehabilitated. And again, I’ll let him talk about, you know, his situation more i This is just not easy to get through. Because every time I talk to him, it’s a reminder of the things that happen to me. And at the same time, I’m not mad at him, I like him. I love Daniel, and you know what I want to help them and you know that we have another friend that actually came from the same prison here in Minnesota. And you know, he got out and he has been trying to rehabilitate his name and save his name and rescue his name. And, you know, he has been an advocate for shutting down the shadow prisons that are disguised as a hospital. There have been some real horror stories. And again, I don’t want to, you know, go over and regurgitate everything, and he should be calling anytime. That’s why I keep looking at my phone. Because obviously, we can’t do a video. So they’re going to call and we’re going to do 15-minute segments. But one of our other friends, Tom, who’s been on the program, you know, he was falsely accused. So anyway, long story short, there’s a lot of people that are locked in these prisons around the world, we may have another guest in Australia to join who’s I believe in a prison similar to Daniel. So what we’re going to find out today is what’s going on because evidently, this is a prepaid debit. Some of the craziness that’s gone on in some of the trouble is all getting exposed. In other words, justice is going to be served but we’ll find out more.

Daniel A. Wilson 4:41
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Joshua T Berglan 4:53
we are live Daniel. How are you sir?

Daniel A. Wilson 4:56
Good. How are you Mr. Bergland?

Joshua T Berglan 4:58
I’m good man. I’m Good. Well, it’s good to have you back and good to hear your voice again.

Daniel A. Wilson 5:06
Thanks for having me.

Joshua T Berglan 5:07
Absolutely, man. So this the opportunity is yours to share your heart share what’s going on? You know, I’ve asked you all the questions that, you know, I needed to ask you in our conversation. So I know there’s been a lot of things happening there behind the scenes. And so I really because I know the time is limited, I just want you to share what’s going on and what’s on your heart

Daniel A. Wilson 5:37
about this conversation, the previous conversations we’ve had, and I think a lot of your listeners and what I might be able to say, to make this relatable to them. And I don’t know if there’s an easy way to do that. But wrestling, Russell is the co founder of our organization, another we’ve been talking about is trying to cut out the dates of events, the legal definition of different things. More about the spirit of this entire process, and what what we’re doing here. But before I talk about that, I’d like to give a little background of what the shadow person is, in case, listeners haven’t heard previous conversation that you and I have had. So I live in a place that I call shadow prison is essentially a mental health facility that has no oversight. And therefore there’s a ton of abuse happening in the business facility is called the Minnesota sex offender programs. Because they want the public to believe that we are all convicted sex offenders. They do that strategically. And they do that on purpose. So that when people like me find an opportunity to speak in formats like this one, I am ignored, because the premises that I have a section that I have not contained here, for any kind of criminal conviction. And that’s the case for every single person here. So I want to make that clear. The name of the program is completely misleading, done on purpose. Anyone could repeat this model. If I wanted to house people and make the public look away. I might call it the Minnesota

because people don’t want to dig in, find out what’s really going on. So that is the first thing I wanted to say. Having said that, the vast majority of the people here do have a criminal record. The point I’m making that they’re not here for that. They do that to stack the deck. So that it looks like that’s why we’re here. Does that make sense?

Joshua T Berglan 8:17
Oh, it makes perfect sense.

Daniel A. Wilson 8:21
So the common denominator is not a criminal record. There is about 12% of the population that has a clean record. And some of those men have been here 2030 45 years. And that individual has been here 45 years has a clean record Silbermann guilty and ever been convicted. So the question is, how is that possible? The answer is mental illness. It’s a very, extremely vague term mental illness. The law has made very specific parameters for determining if somebody has mental illness. But there’s almost no oversight for a quote, professional says you have a mental illness, you could potentially be locked up in a psych ward, if you want to call that that’s kind of an alternative

kind of state hospital with a barbed wire with a razor wire fence around it. Built by the same company that built prisons in Minnesota, so the layout of the prison complex, complex itself, the building I live in,

literally a prison. So the difference is, they claim that we’re mentally and they get away with a lot by doing such as the objective.

So that’s a little bit of background. Where they mess up here is they locked up a couple of people. They’re a little smarter than your average person. A lot of the guys, they got to when they were juveniles, and they’re now in their 60s, in some cases. And those guys have never used the internet and never use a cell phone. There’s no cable here. So we don’t have a lot of information to the outside world, our phones or screens, we don’t have the internet, we’re blocked off from the outside world. And the outside world is blocked out from us. They got a little excited to start locking up middle aged, educated men, who knows the power of the internet and know the law and know what your mental illnesses. That’s where they screwed up. What

Joshua T Berglan 10:45
a second. I thought you said you don’t have internet. So how are they able to use the internet?

Daniel A. Wilson 10:52
They don’t. We don’t have the internet.

Joshua T Berglan 10:55
Well, you just said that they were educated. They know how to use the internet. So how is that serving them when they’re behind bars?

Daniel A. Wilson 11:04
No. Before I got locked up, before I got here, I’m familiar with. Okay. And I can’t use it now. I’m in the facility. So I’ve used in the past. I have I know resources, and I’m familiar with resources.

Joshua T Berglan 11:28
Okay, thanks.

Daniel A. Wilson 11:34
I can through others third party, I can use some of these resources that other guys understood, I’m able to kind of get the word out. So a lot of these guys. Now sounding the alarm for years, they’ve just been doing it in the Stone Age kind of way. A lot of you know through the mail or, or different ways that can easily be intercepted by the staff. And the public, just transparency, the public has not a clue what’s going on these mental health facilities. And if you look at places like Russia that I just talked about, it’s kind of fresh in my mind, you look at places like North Korea, and Russia. And those two, China is China, these three countries have one big thing when I think about them in my mind. And that is the secrecy their secret for reason. They have parties in their own states and their own country that for the use of the Internet. And don’t let journalists that’s for a reason. The reason they do that is they use their senses as a big reason for doing. And we’re seeing that with the work in Ukraine. There’s a lot of attempts by the Russian Government to withhold information. And that’s a whole different thing. But I think everybody knows that. Secrets are a breeding ground for abuse, and maltreatment. Mental health institutions are ground zero for that the United States has kind of touched on this in juvenile facilities. I think it’s great that she’s doing her part but but I’ve seen a little bit more because this isn’t just about this facility, I would really like to help trigger a conversation about mental health facilities in the country, because there’s this huge out of sight out of mind thing that’s happening once you get a guy behind bars, whether it’s a prison or a mental health facility, the public just kind of forgets, it doesn’t really think about what’s going on. But people need to realize that tax money is paying for this. So if you’re going to house somebody for the rest of their life and mental health facilities, my biggest concern is at least find out is the person actually mentally ill I think that we do our due diligence and make sure these people are actually mentally ill because I’m telling you right now 80% of the guys that live with and I’m being conservative, are not mentally, they’re fully functional, smart people who are based on something they might do, which is based on behavior from the past, sometimes decades old. It’s not even confirmed, but beyond reasonable doubt, it’s all speculation. And they’re going to be housed till they’re dead. It’s mind boggling to think that that can happen in this country. And the way to get away with it is to keep everything secret. There’s no transparency. If the public saw what was going on in here, this wouldn’t last more than a few months. If they saw what I saw every day. I guarantee I’ve seen 33 deaths in five years. That’s one every 60 days from guys that are under 46. And that’s normal. If you make it to 80 in here, it’s American because there’s no there’s no medical services. So the guy gets cancer or something. He breaks his foot, the likelihood of him getting a leg chopped off is really good. There’s still medical attention. So 35 years to me, that’s a lot.

Joshua T Berglan 15:18
Yeah, that’s a lot. That is absolutely a lot. And you’re talking about mental health. I think it sounds like it’s safer in there for your mental health than it is out here lately. But you’re shielded from all the psyops going on right now. But nonetheless, I don’t think I want to be in a secret prison either. So, my goodness, man. So what else is going on there right now, because I know that you’ve been in the trenches, fighting the fight to make some changes to all this.

Daniel A. Wilson 15:53
We really have, oh, it’s overwhelming. There’s so many things you’ve done in the last two or three years. But we did a lot of protesting last year. And we’re starting to see the fruits of that this year. One of our biggest accomplishments recently was organized and prepared a workshop in North Carolina, from what’s next to impossible, because you’re going to leave the facility where we had to work with our supporters on the street, to pay for plane tickets to create PowerPoint. I mean, everything isn’t talking points to the hotel, or of these guys that just say and we sent them there, we raised the money ourselves. I wrote the PowerPoint, Word for word and send it to mail and put it in his computer. All these things we did from grassroots, very difficult to do. But let’s face it by a lot of effort, we’ve got it done. So 566 people viewed our presentation 266 were online and 300 were present. And we worked with an organization called nagarsol, which stands for National Association for rational sex events. Last time they had heard about the things we were doing last year, they invited us to organize a workshop. It was first given us an opportunity, I thought there’s no way I can’t leave, obviously. So how would I do that. But I took the challenge, and we actually pulled it out. That was a great accomplishment for us. It helped bring in some new people. In particular, one guy from the Netherlands, who saw the whole thing online, where you engage with him right now. We’re hoping to bring national and international attention to the issue of preventive detention in the United States. So that’s still in the works. We’ve had a few conversations with this gentleman. Sounds promising, motivated versus very intelligent. So did something good come out of that? Probably the biggest excitement we’ve had so far right now is on July 1, the Department of Justice filed an amicus curiae brief on our behalf in a major lawsuit that’s been going on for over 10 years. This lawsuit has been kicked back and forth between the Eighth Circuit Missouri and the district court in Minneapolis. St. Paul. Long story short for those people who don’t really follow the legal jargon. The short of it is the Department of Justice, defending our due process rights to make sure that we have a fair shake. In this case. We’re going to call back.

Joshua T Berglan 18:56
Yeah, sounds good, man.

All right. We’ll be right back after this.

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