What is Dissociative Identity Disorder?

What is SRA?

How can a fragmented soul be healed?

Are sexual abuse victims able to heal from this trauma?

On A Conversation with Joshua T Berglan, Kelly Hawley from Warrior Bride Ministries stops by to discuss these issues and much more!

Kelly and her husband Brett founded Warrior Bride Ministries by answering the call the Father put on their life and responding to the need they saw within their community. As a survivor of childhood sexual trauma, Kelly has unique experience in navigating the spiritual and emotional aftermath of trauma and walking in freedom. She specializes in the healing, deliverance, and integration of Dissociative Identity Disorder from a biblical perspective of all levels of fragmentation and is currently co-writing her first training manual to equip others to do the same.

Her heart is for the Bride of Christ to walk in complete freedom and in their purpose to accomplish the will of God to fight the evils of this generation including child trafficking, Satanic Ritual Abuse, Trauma Based Mind Control, and Programming. She oversees all aspects of the ministry.

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Joshua T Berglan

 

Joshua T Berglan, aka The World’s Mayor, is a voice for the voiceless and is driven to elevate the passion, purpose, and mission of those he serves. Joshua is the Chairman of the Live Mana Worldwide Foundation & Live Mana Network, Shock-Jock Evangelist, International #1 Best Selling Author for the Book “The Devil Inside Me” a Producer, and Filmmaker. Joshua is an expert in the future of media and loves supporting others in helping make their dreams come true.

TRANSCRIPT 

Joshua T Berglan
Good day everybody. My name is Joshua T Berglan. And welcome to a conversation with Joshua T Berglan. On the live mana Network. Thank you so much for being here. If you want to find our network, you can just scan that barcode there right there, you can find links to our book, our movie, The live mana worldwide foundation, it’s all right there in that convenient little barcode. And no, I’m not promoting the mark of the beast. So stop there. Anyway, I’m so grateful that you’re here today, today is going to be really, really special to me. And I think it’s going to be special for a lot of you. Because we’re going to talk about disassociative identity, identity disorder, and sexual abuse, something that I’m familiar with. But we’re going to talk to somebody that is helping free people from this and help people heal and go on to live the life that God intended them to live. We are in for a treat Kelly, Holly as a Holly, is that how you say her name? She’s from warrior bride ministries. And those of you who have heard terms like SRA, which is Satan, satanic ritual abuse, of course, you know about sexual abuse. We’re going to we’re going to cover this topic today. And it’s boring to some people foreign to probably the majority of people. But I gotta tell you, I think more people have encountered SRA and sexual abuse and dissociative identity disorder than most know, there’s a lot of misdiagnosis, I know that I was misdiagnosed for years and prescribe medication that actually made my symptoms worse. It made me crazier than I already was. So and I’m not blaming anybody, because I made my own choices. But that said, I really think that this is an important broadcast. So some of you out there may also discover that you’ve been misdiagnosed, and you can change up your your treatments, because I don’t know about you. But you know, the bipolar medication, the ADH, Medic, ADHD, medication, the depression medication, the anxiety, medication, all of that stuff that I used to take, made me worse, made me much, much worse. So we’re going to talk about that we’re going to in who knows where the Spirit’s going to lead us today. But I’m honored to have our guest on today. And, and what else what I wanted to say, Oh, here’s the other thing, too, that I think is very important to say. I’ve, my wife and I have given a platform to a lot of different people from that come from the human trafficking world, the anti human trafficking world, or at least they’re saying that they’re anti human trafficking, against human trafficking, and then only to find out that they’re part of the problem. We’ve seen this. I just had clay Clark on I just I’ve, you know, you know, my relationship with Madison by now. And I’ve discovered the hard way that these people are not who they say they are, and they’re part of the problem. General Flynn included. Of course, I haven’t interviewed him yet. I still would interview him even knowing what I know about him. I would ask him the questions that I asked clay Clark that he lied about. But the fact is that I believe with all my heart I want to say this from the bottom of my heart that Kelly, I believe is the real deal. Prime example. She goes we’re gonna pray before we start right and I was like, Yeah, we’re gonna pray. And but there’s been other little things that that I’ve seen and witnessed with her and just I’ve been following her journey a little bit since we first met. And I believe that she’s the real deal. And while I can’t guarantee anything, I believe that her heart is in the right place and she truly is doing the work that frankly, not everybody is equipped to do. So she’s an inspiration to me and I think that you will find her to be an inspiration to so with that said, we’ll be right back after these messages.

welcome back. My name is Joshua T Bergland. And we are on a conversation with Joshua T. Berglund on the lib mana Network. Thank you for being here. And I pray that I wrote her name down correctly, because all of a sudden, when I was reading her last name, I got insecure like wait a second. I don’t think I wrote that. Right. So hopefully, hopefully, I did not butcher her last name. Because I mean no disrespect. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Kelly from warrior bride ministries. Hello, Kelly. How are you?

Kelly Hawley
I’m wonderful. How are you doing?

Joshua T Berglan
I’m well pleased. Holly is how you say your last name, right?

Kelly Hawley
Yeah, so funny. Everybody says that. And I’m like, whatever if Holly Holly, you know, I don’t know. It’s Kelly. Holly.

Joshua T Berglan
I still say fixin to. So you know, my English is not exactly perfect all the time. But I am so grateful that you’re here today. I do want to pray before we start. But before we pray, I would like to ask you what are you grateful for today? And why?

Kelly Hawley
Definitely Yeshua, and just breath life. Every day he gives me is a blessing. And I recognize that and I’m thankful for that.

Joshua T Berglan
Hallelujah. Would you like to pray? Or do you want me to?

Kelly Hawley
Either way, I’ll be glad to pray you can pray the way.

Joshua T Berglan
I love to hear other people pray. So I’ll give you the honors.

Kelly Hawley
Okay, well, thank you so far that we thank you so much for this time. I thank you for this connection. I thank you for this opportunity to shine a light on your goodness, your love, your redemption ability. How you love us, you have not forsaken us. I give you all the honor and all the glory. Your word says not to worry about what I will say. But just be willing and let the Holy Spirit speak through me. So I asked Holy Spirit to please just speak say exactly what you would want the people to know. Yes. Father, I asked you to bind anything that is not a view outside the perimeter of our locations render it ineffective. I asked you to scatter the airways I asked you to close portals, close entry ports from the demonic have it be one way out? I asked the spirit to be open heaven for you and yours only that there will be no interference. I used to bind and gag Oh, monitoring tracking spirits, send them far away. Have this time be yours. And have it accomplish exactly what you would want it to accomplish. Plant seeds, water seeds harvest, advanced your kingdom. I say Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever. Amen. Hallelujah is the king

Joshua T Berglan
who I’ve got electricity shooting all through my body. I had a feeling that you were going to do a much better player than I would have. Wow. Thank you for that. And I’m sure the audience is blessed for that as well. I? Well, first of all, the conversation that we had feels like it’s been months ago now met probably not that long ago. But it had an impact on me. Because through the entire conversation and when we’re talking about heavy stuff in this conversation, and yet the you could just see the Holy Spirit radiating through you and joy and it was just the fruits are evident. And in getting to learn a little bit about what warrior bride ministries does. I’ve was so inspired and my wife was to so we’re truly truly honored to have you here. But with that said

Kelly Hawley
one thing. I’m honored to be here

Joshua T Berglan
Thank you. How did how did warrior bride ministries come about?

Kelly Hawley
So I was a victim of sexual abuse, when I was younger, multiple different ways. I actually believe there’s a spirit that’s put on you during the first abuse, and then they are attracted. And they know your vulnerability. Yeah. And so in several ways I was abused. And then, you know, there came a point where I could start trying, in my mind, take control of my life. And I did, and I started to live out what would appear to be a very, you know, successful life. Throughout high school, I was very much an overachiever College, in the business world. But that was all to just mask the wound I had. I tried everything to mask that wound, I tried things that look good to the world, workaholic, alcohol, drugs. Men, just anything, you know, bears shopping, there’s so many things that we use to try to mask those wounds that we have. But once I got to the point of what my rock bottom was, and I got on my knees and called out to Yeshua he was and when I say issue, that’s Jesus’s Hebrew name. So I use that name for several reasons. And we can talk about that later. But I just want to make sure everybody knows because a lot of people don’t.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah.

Kelly Hawley
So let’s say I tried several things. Finally hit my rock bottom, I called out to him he was faithful, he started, he started. I think, what I call a sanctification process with me, and I was hungry for his word I studied, I did everything. Just you know, just to know Him, and to know the right way. Because really, in the scriptures, it does tell you the right way that you can live life abundantly. So I went into that, and you know, once I kind of got somewhat solid, I just started serving every way I could find and for him, and one of the ways that he led me to was through sexual abuse, which you know, victims of sexual abuse, which often he does that whatever he pulls you out of and heals you from, he often will plant you there so that you can help others. And so he did that and that was one of the things that really stuck. It’s been probably 15 years that I’ve been serving them and kind of a escalated pattern at first I was still in the business world so it was more part time and but it escalated to where he said put down put down corporate America and then I had a job that I could serve him more like a company I built I could do it and serve him more but then he said put down company and then he said start worrying it Brian ministries apologizes. Something came in there when I was served

Joshua T Berglan
Oh, I lost you. You went mute. Nope, nope, nope. Nope. Nope.

What happened

Kelly Hawley
Can you hear me now?

Joshua T Berglan
I can hear you now. All right. Welcome back.

Kelly Hawley
Can you hear me now?

Joshua T Berglan
Yes, ma’am. I can. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes, I can.

Kelly Hawley
Can Laura love me? Yes, I can. You can hear me? I guess Are you really? I can’t hear you.

Joshua T Berglan
That’s weird.

Kelly Hawley
Let me leave and come back.

Joshua T Berglan
Well, you know, that happens from time to time. Try that again.

Kelly Hawley
Swear. Hello.

Joshua T Berglan
Can you hear me?

Kelly Hawley
I hope you didn’t hear me swear.

Joshua T Berglan
No, I didn’t hear you swear. Can you hear me now?

Kelly Hawley
I can hear you now. Okay, good.

Joshua T Berglan
All right. So go ahead, continue.

Kelly Hawley
Okay, Um, you’re gonna be able to edit this anyways, right?

Joshua T Berglan
No, I’m gonna leave this. I don’t try to perfect anything, do my best and go with it. That’s, so I’m not editing anything. But don’t worry, no one heard you curse.

Kelly Hawley
Like, oh, wait. Okay, so they’re human. So I was serving at this ministry, the handmade payment brought, the sanction infiltrated, which he does a lot of a lot of places. And so we always have to be on our go for that. But when that happened, there was still a big need to serve this, these people, and there was very few places to go. So people would be calling me they’d be showing up at my house, you know, all kinds of things. And so I would keep ministering to them. But I was trying to find a place that I can do it, and nobody felt equipped, we’re not equipped for that we’re not, you know, the second the other. So finally, I just the Lord led me to get this little office, it was about 260 square feet. And it was right when COVID started. And even though it was COVID, and it was around January, February of that year, we still saw it was like 270 or so people with a huge percentage of them being sexual abuse. And a huge percentage of them being satanic ritual abuse. And then the next year, we saw 450. And then this year, I don’t know where we are, but probably more than that. But we just kept growing. And the Lord moved us out of the 267 little room to 1900 square feet. And then he just had me get this other side of the office to expand because he wants it to be not only spiritual healing, but the mind and the body as well. So we’ll be doing DBT classes, CBT classes, we have a chiropractor who’s an expert in body memory, various things, we’re going to have a work program for those who move here, so that they can start their own business during their healing, because they have a real problem with finances, because unfortunately, broke people are often broke. So he’s got this whole thing that he’s having us evolve this into. But certainly the spiritual is a huge, huge component of it.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, cuz you can’t heal without the spiritual component. There is no healing to be able to go on and learn all the other skills that are needed to go on and do God’s work to make use of the healing. Right. Yeah, I agree that,

Kelly Hawley
yeah, you have to get to the root. And to me, a big part of the root is spiritual. Amen. Because the minute you get that wound, which we all have, we all have wounding, whether it be rejection, abandonment, whatever it is, we all have wounding. But once we have that, it’s a place that the enemy can work out of. So now you live your life out of a rejected standpoint. Now you live your life, always thinking people are going to leave you. So we definitely deal with that. That is the basis of our ministry. But there is additional healing that needs to occur, especially some of the victims that come or, you know, survivors that come to the extreme of the most abused in this world, in my opinion, and so their bodies have taken a beating as well. I mean, they have abused them in ways you can’t imagine. And so their body does need healing as well. And so we take a very clean approach to everything we try to teach them how to eat clean. No medicines, we try to we’re not doctors, so we can’t say no medicine, but what we find is people come with a bag full of medicine. And when they leave, they might be on nine or one or two or whatever. But it diminishes greatly and there’s many natural foods that can help you with that. Herbs, you know, different things like that. And so we we focus on all that as well.

Joshua T Berglan
I want to ask you something because this kept popping in my head as you were talking In about the, you know, the the waves of people that have come to you over the last few years, and they it sounds like it’s doubling and getting bigger and bigger. One of the things that was very hard for me and my healing was that when I met somebody that was like me, or close enough, like me, there was this trauma bonding that was going on, that set me up for more failure, my mind would go, I would either think I was in love, or there would be there would be some type of very deep on describable connection where it was, you know, magnetic is probably not even a strong enough word, but it was like, I just need to be close to you. And then the other person was like that, too. And there was a real bond. And the only word I know for it are called trauma bonding. And I noticed that as the Lord was continuing to heal me that got less and less, but for the first four years in my walk, I had to be very, very careful about talking to other people that went to through anything similar to me. Because I would just lose all logic and just go, let get sucked in by that magnet. So does this happen with the people that are coming there? Does that does this? Do you have protections in place? Because I’ve heard other people talk about this? But how do you prevent that from happening, especially with that? Number of people? That’s a lot to deal with? What are traumas?

Kelly Hawley
Yeah, let me first say a lot of them are I deal with online? Okay, so the Lord works. Online. You know, Lord loves everywhere. He’s on the president, right? I mean, I minister to people in other countries everywhere, just depends, whoever contacts us, it needs help. So a lot of America there, we have had a few move here. And it has been a challenge and one that I am learning every day, what do I need to do to try to help the situation? I think right now, which is not the best, because again, they’re broke, is they have different rooms they’ve rented or different apartments in different places. And I think that helps. In the long run, we do want to, I feel like the Lord’s leaving us to build communities for the survivors, but the ones that he’s put on my heart first for the community is 12. And under, and I think with them would be a little different, because they’re still young enough where the healing could occur before they have to live the majority of their life. But it is a challenge, it’s definitely a challenge and one that we do the best we can kind of thing because what are you gonna do like, not help them because a trauma bond might occur, right? So we just are doing the best we can with that, separating them, but yet, not totally separating them, because the thing is, they need community. We also heal in community, you know, and people don’t understand them either. You know, so many people tell them and these are professionals telling them this is ignore every part other than the host. They’re not there. They’re all whatever the first, you know, the host name is. And so you’re once again, taking the voice away, of a huge part of that person. And that’s something we probably need to explain what we’re talking about before we go too far into that. But the point is, it’s a delicate balance. And we have to do the best we can and trust the Lord. Because what we can’t do any longer is ignore these people and ignore what has happened to them and be afraid of it and run from it.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, I know. Because you’ve stated here a few times we tell everybody where you’re at, if you don’t mind.

Kelly Hawley
Oh, sure. In terms of

Joshua T Berglan
location, like location, where’s your location? Okay, location wise,

Kelly Hawley
we’re outside of Atlanta. Okay. And website wise, we’re WWW dot warrior bride ministries.org or.com.

Joshua T Berglan
Okay. The Yeah, I wanted for some reason I thought you were in Florida, but I I’m glad that you cleared that up and that you’re outside of Atlanta. So people know when they look you up they can go there for you know, treatment if they need, you know, sexual abuse is a very it’s amazing the damage that it can cause like I think about, you know, my sexual abuse from men. to an women, and what that did to me, and where I found comfort in the monster that was created inside me, and my behavior. And what that said, I meet people all the time now or get to speak to them, that went through things that, honestly, mine was a walk in the park compared to what they went through. That said, I know how challenging it is to heal, and the amount of commitment that it takes to be able, because it’s not you have to, it’s something that we have to do every day, we have to be committed to the work, because it takes one decision to slip back into the abyss and go into a dark world. I’ve known it for my own relapses. So that said, How is it that you are finding? Or I’m sorry? What are you doing to help people get motivated to want to do the work? Is it something they have to discover on their own? Or is there something that you can teach them, that motivates them to do the work because my, my experience with this is, I know people that want to do the work and have done the work, but it’s usually after creating pure devastation on the planet. And then they find they run out of options and say, Okay, God, I surrender, and then they do the work to, to, to to heal. A lot of people, they’ll start the work, and they go screw this, this is not for me, and they just go back to their old ways. How do you inspire people to want to change?

Kelly Hawley
Well, first of all, I think it’s the Holy Spirit that draws them. And I think the true love that I have for these people, I think they see it, and they know it, and they feel it. And they get inspired just by that. And it’s not even I don’t think necessary, my love. I feel like the Lord’s agape love flows through me to them. And I’m not special. He’s calling all of us to do this. If you look at scripture, we’re all supposed to be doing this. But he released this as agape love, and they respond, or they don’t. And the long run, it’s your will. And like you said, some will start and some will leave, and then some will come back, and some will see it all the way through. And it’s the will, that’s the greatest gift he gave us. He’s not taking it away, you can make your decision if you want to heal and have life abundantly or not.

Joshua T Berglan
What’s the greatest challenge that you face on a day in day out basis that most people wouldn’t guess?

Kelly Hawley
wouldn’t guess?

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, um, it gives her some obvious challenges. But what’s some of the obvious challenges that you face on a daily basis that would surprise people?

Kelly Hawley
So much has become the norm for me, but I know it was. I know, for almost all of it, people would be, you know, have their mouth hanging open. I think they would be very, very shocked at the reality of the world in the spirit realm. Every day I get more shocked by the reality of it is very intertwined. And when we say there’s a war against evil and good, like, we have no idea most of us what that really means. It is deep. And they do use us as pawns. If we allow them to

Joshua T Berglan
God, that’s right. You’re right about that. And that makes me think about what’s going on. How do I say this the right way. Um, there’s quite the web of deception amongst people that claim to be rescuers and freedom fighters and patriots and all of that. And the after we fell into something Oh, all we were trying to do when we got into this realm, I guess and started meeting all the different trafficking organizations and I’m friends with I’ve known Annie lobera For a long time now, but, you know, that was just more of a friendship. And I interviewed her I wasn’t involved in this world at all. But then met somebody that was a survivor, and became friends and got to know them, saw them in public, and found out the hard way that they were part of the deception. Basically, they were still they were trafficking other people, but they were using the cover of we’re freeing and rescuing victims. And through that uncovering that we uncovered even more people, and these people are on all of the national stages. They’re on national TV. They’re, I mean, they’re famous. But they’re famous for being patriots and being freedom fighters and everything else. But they are part of this very, very corrupt, interconnected web of deceit and evil that has hope. You talk I mean, it’s just beyond evil to me. And in more every day that goes by, we learn something new, that it makes me go, is there any one good left in this world? So I want to ask you something. And I believe with all my heart that you are sincere, and you are one of the good ones. I do genuinely believe that. Thank you that says, How do we know? How, what are the questions that we can ask? Because there’s people that are giving 1000s of dollars a week, a month, they’re wiping out their bank accounts, they’re giving money that they don’t have? And yeah, I’m talking to you, not you, but I’m talking to the person I’m talking to, because I know that they’re doing it. They give their money all their money away, because they believe that they’re doing this good work, and they’re getting robbed blindly. What are the questions that people can ask to these freedom fighters, these rescuers? What are the questions that can be asked? So we can figure out who’s bullcrap. and who’s not? Because there’s a lot of people getting screwed over? And I’m, frankly, I’ve had enough of it.

Kelly Hawley
Yeah, gotcha. Well, I think, first of all, if the Lord’s not in it, that’s a big question number one, in my book, because this war can’t be won without him. So I would question that. Number two, what is their specialty in the fight? Like my specialty, my place that the Lord has placed me in this fight? is healing. Okay, what is theirs? What are they doing? And what are the results? Like they should be able to show if they’re going in and rescuing the children? Okay, they should be able to see, where do you rescue them from? Like, where are they, like, don’t have to give the exact location. But where are they? And where do they go after the rescue? Like I would want to know, some, some details to that not just getting online and talking about it now that you can’t do that. But with this with the way the Lord has been working out, question some things, although he may have called some people just to do that, because he’s starting to release me to talk about it more. But for the longest time for the first three years, can you hear me still

Joshua T Berglan
get nervous? Don’t anymore.

Kelly Hawley
For the first three years, he, he did not have, he wanted me more hidden. So I didn’t do that I really was just non stop learning from him, and helping the people. And so if you’re really doing the work, you’re kind of too busy doing the work, then to just talk about it all the time, unless you just call him to that, because there could be a phase that he sends me in that that’s what I’m doing. But I would want to know some things like how many people have you saved? You know, what happens to them? What’s the process because not everybody can specialize in every single thing in this like some should go rescue, some should get them to a stable place. Some should get them to the housing, some should heal them, and get them ready to re enter the world and how are they reentering the world because once they reenter, we don’t want them re exploited. could imagine, especially when it’s children, like sometimes all they know is to touch people sexually. So we don’t want them going back into the world and starting to touch people sexually, or we don’t want them to go back out into a normal school and people shun them because they you know, have been sexually abused, because that comes out. And there’s just different ways that they get re exploited. So we want to know like, what is your part in the fight? And let me see what you’re doing. Like let me see what you’re actually doing. They should be able to show some of that.

Joshua T Berglan
Let me ask you something, and that that is a good point. But let me ask you this. How dangerous is it? For a former SRA or trafficking victim or all the above? Even MK Ultra? How dangerous is it for them to be the ones going out into the rescues? To me that seems insane. I don’t I don’t believe that I’m acquit. I’m going to go into that situation, because I have been a former not a victim in that way. But a sexual abuse victim, I would think that going in those environments would be especially triggering. I don’t care how healed I am. I would imagine that is a booby trap for me. Is that true? Should should former victims be the one going to free victims? Or is that something that’s a little risky?

Kelly Hawley
Okay, well, that’s, um, I would say that depends on the individual person, let me tell you, first of all, that the issue, the issue is that the normal person won’t get into this fight.

Joshua T Berglan
You gotta be crazy to get into. My check, no disrespect,

Kelly Hawley
trust the Lord a lot. Yeah. A lot and not given the fear and stuff like that. But the normal person won’t. Okay, so then who is going to write? Okay, most of the time, who is going to it goes back to me, you know, and I kind of like what I said, I was healed from sexual abuse, and then I was called in place to help them. Right. So, if you’ve got done a good amount of healing, then you could the end depends on what what exactly it is you’re going to do. For instance, at Moriah bride ministries, we do believe that they give back now, not for the first whatever, you know, it could be a year or whatever, that they’re not going to give back or maybe less, depending on the extremes of their abuse. But at some point, while they’re still receiving free ministry, because all this I do for free, right? Don’t charge one person didn’t take a penny for the first two years. Now I get $500 before tax, so anyways. But at a certain point, as they’re getting all, you know, all this free, like I need people help. And so they would be kind of that scenario where they can help not do the ministry like I do. But they can do emails, they can stuff envelopes, they can help me, right, you know, programs, whatever, they can do administrative stuff. And then if they can, as they continue to heal, they can do more and more and more. So it just depends.

Joshua T Berglan
I, and the reason I asked that question I was just thinking about. And it’s not necessarily the same. But I haven’t gone on rescues. In fact, like, I mean, it’s like when we would go out and feed the homeless downtown. And when we lived downtown, especially we’re there all the time, I had a really hard time with an even doing street ministry is like some days, it would be fine and everything would be good. And then other times I would get around familiar spirits that would just agitate me internally. And it would put me in a dark place. And maybe I didn’t have enough spiritual armor on maybe I wasn’t healed enough yet. I don’t know. You know, my hardest to serve. And I’m fortunate to get to do it. But I do it for the most part. And you were talking about this earlier online. Like very rarely. I’ll do zoom meetings and things like that. We’re all work with people and talk with them one on one. But there’s a protective barrier there for me. And also I know that if I’m not feeling right or not thinking clearly or my spirits in a, you know, weird place, I at least have a boundary to be able to go you know what, okay, this meet, let’s reschedule the meeting or whatever. Being out in the middle of it. You don’t have that luxury. So right now I kind of served with a protective barrier. Because I don’t know if I’m all the way healed enough to be around that because I don’t know how to explain this without it sounding really creepy, but I think other people may relate. I can smell other abuse victims. Like I can feel it in my spine. I can be 100 yards away, and see somebody and know that they’ve been abused or know that they’ve been molested. I can feel it. I don’t explain that. I mean, I don’t know how to explain that. But for me, it scares me enough to go. Yeah, I’m not ready to go out and rescue victims. Not that it’s gonna make me want to go be a predator or anything. It’s just that there’s something about the spirit world that is more real than this world that we’re playing in right now. And I can’t explain that. Can you explain it?

Kelly Hawley
Well, I mean, the spirit realm is real and they know They talk to the, you know, spirits connected to the wounds that aren’t healed, whatever they haven’t been delivered from whatever they haven’t been healed from. They talk they know. But the reality is that happens if you’re wounded or not. I mean, everybody’s wounded in my opinion, and to some level, but they are they exist for everybody. So they’re always doing that. Now, that being said, for each individual person, you’re in a, you’re, you’re on your individual journey, and there is a gonna be a period of time where you shouldn’t be like some people, if they’re really severely traumatized, I might have them come into the office at a time that I know no one else is there. Okay, some can handle it, some are fine. Some have just off days, and I’ll be like, don’t come in today. Or come in tonight when you know when others aren’t here. So I can help you with without any interference. And I do have to, and sometimes when I get groups together or something, there are certain ones that carry something with them that I have to say, I’m sorry, you can’t join this group right now until we get further along. It just depends. I tried to walk in love, but with my eyes open with awareness. All of this stuff can be defeated. It’s just a matter of time, you know, my time haven’t enough time to get to everybody. And also their timing of when they’re ready to do the work. And then a course issue is timing.

Joshua T Berglan
Speaking to that, yesterday, I got a phone call from somebody, that it was a guy and typically, it’s women that reach out to me, I don’t know why this is, especially with my history. But it’s more women that will reach out to me which I’m like, Okay, you probably should talk to my wife, not me. Because I don’t feel that it’s appropriate, but because of my sexual past, you know, I would, I used to think that will guys would be a problem too, considering my sexuality was like, try sexuality, especially when drugs were involved. Um, that said, I had someone reach out, and I’d never talked to them before they were referred to me. And it was simple. It was as simple as I felt my heart that you needed to talk to this person, and you’re the only person in the world he can talk to like, Okay, what does this mean? Is this about HIV? What is this about? Had a conversation that normally would have triggered me beyond triggers. And it didn’t happen. I was shocked. Actually, I’m still kind of shocked because it’s been over 24 hours now. And it didn’t affect me the way it normally would when I’ve had these other conversations before. That felt good. Because I’m like, wait a second, these were all the things that would cause me to get that. Well, the deviant side of me crawling up my spine wanting to you know, go out and ravage and raise heck and everything else, and then I’d be fighting it for weeks. Try not, you know, to make it go away. It didn’t happen yesterday, I was able to remain an integrity not get triggered, not get riled up. Because I mean, the conversation would, I mean, it was kind of stimulating in a but all the person was doing was confessing, because they’ve never told anybody any of the things that they were saying. And so I felt good about that. But I’m not going to get real comfortable with it yet. But I do know that God does heal, and God has healed and the my journey for healing di D has been long and painful, and confusing and frustrating, but it’s happening. And it’s such a miracle for me the how God has taken me on this journey, and given me the grace along the journey as I’ve healed for every mistake and setback. God has found a way to use it for good. So with your experience with di D, and your experience with helping people heal from di D. What is in your opinion, the right plan of action for one people to find out is this really D ID. And then number two, what’s the first step in the healing process?

Kelly Hawley
Okay, well, I can tell you what the Lord has had me put together as the process he has. He’s the

Joshua T Berglan
best doctor there is so

Kelly Hawley
Exactly. So what he has for me to to do is people go online, they request an appointment, they fill out some paperwork. It’s mainly about their history, and then they get on my schedule. The first appointments two hours where I go through the paperwork and we talk and the Lord shows me what spirits are at work. And he typically shows me if it’s di D, or if it’s more what I call partial fragmentations, which is more of kind of what the majority of the world has, you know, wounding that has affected them and how, and has them put on different personas at different times and things like that. So he shows me if it’s that, or if it’s something more, he starts to just show me and I make a lot of notes. And then depending again, on what he wants, sometimes if it’s just some partial fragmentations, we can have one two hour session. And they’re done. And I’ll be thinking, Okay, well, that was fairly boring. And they’ll be like, Oh, my gosh, it was life changing. It was life changing? Well, you know, it’s between him and them. I’m just like a little facilitator. Right? Yeah. But when you when you deal with people to the extreme that I do, I’m used to a lot of action. So if it is somebody that has a more intensive trauma, we, that first appointment could just be going through the paperwork, it could also go into some talk about if they’re ready to forgive, because that’s a key component. Hopefully, people know Jesus, Yeshua by now, if not, then I definitely have to talk to him about that, because he is the only way I know that they can receive healing, shame. Um, so we talked about forgiveness if they’re ready to forgive, because Scripture tells us if they don’t forgive, then he can’t forgive them. What depending on what hang up they have on that, that could take a while, or it could not. And we go through people forgiving, and then it’s confession and repentance and things that we need forgiveness for, we go through that. It’s a breaking of vows that we’ve made ungodly vows, it’s a breaking of soul ties, that we’ve made ungodly soul ties. And then I typically go into the courtroom of heaven. And I and I deal with things legally, because the enemy is a legalist. And then after that, I start kicking out the demonic. Now that would be on the host person, the host person is the person who presents. If they’re not di, D, that would be the only person I work with. And they might need one appointment, they might need multiple appointments, but I just worked with the single person. If they’re di, D, I start asking them is there somebody else in there that would like to come speak to me, and I let them know I’m safe. And I asked you, if there’s somebody he wants me to meet, and asked him to help them come forward. We do this. As long as we need to, as long as the time allows, the Lord is kind of like to keep me in boundaries, because I could do it forever. So it might require several appointments to do this. And I sometimes meet hundreds of, of different parts. Sometimes, I mean, just the primaries. Each part I want to introduce to Yeshua, I want to help them process whatever portion of the memory that Yeshua wants them to process. Sometimes it’s a lot, sometimes it’s a little sometimes it’s none. I might need to do deliverance on that part, because the part different parts hold different spirits. And then I introduce them to him. And he comes and gets them. And then he ministers to them. Dependent on the role within the body. They come back or they don’t until he’s ready to do what I call integration, which is bringing all the parts together back into the wholeness the way he designed us the way he graded us the way he purposed us to be whole.

Joshua T Berglan
I said that’s how I understand it as well. And I find it interesting, because I didn’t really know anyone at the time with that knew anything about di D that made any sense to me and my spirit, and the way that God taught me to heal, to start the healing journey to get me to a place where other people could step in and help. I want to preface that because I didn’t do it alone. And I sure as heck didn’t do it without Jesus. But the way that he showed me it was I needed to take each altar I had and take it on its own independent healing journey. And as you said, you were introducing Jesus to each altar. I was taking each altar to Jesus And letting Jesus work on each one. And slowly but surely the fragments have come together. I’m not all the way healed yet, because I know I, I have certain cues that I can pay attention to. Some of them I’ve realized are habits. So I get to correct the habit. But some things are still little fragments that want to come out, and they want to act out, or they want to do other things. And I’m fortunate that I’m able to shut it down before it goes too far. But it’s showing me that I’m not all the way healed. But I’m at a place where, you know what I actually for the first time in my life feel comfortable, accepting responsibility for my actions, because instead of detaching, or disassociating, in a way where I don’t know what the person’s doing, I’ve gotten to a place now where I can see, even if I’m outside of my body enough, and there’s been a minor switch, I’m able to see that person, or, you know, the actions of it. Enough to go where the part of me that’s like me, me, I can stop them. Does that make any sense at all? Even though I’m detached from it, I feel like I can still pull it back. If it’s good trying to go too far. Does that make any sense? Yeah.

Kelly Hawley
I mean, what part of our one of our first kind of goals is to get the core person which is who the Lord created? Amen. Be co conscious. When the other parts? Yeah, yeah. And then even some co consciousness between some of the parts so that they can work. It’s a system, basically. And they need to work together? Yes. So that they can function well, until the time that the Lord totally integrates them.

Joshua T Berglan
I love that. And so with that said, because there’s some people and I’ve, when I’ve talked openly, and I do talk openly about all my stuff. But one of them when I do bring up the ID for the people that think they understand it, everyone claims it’s all demonic. I don’t believe that to be true. Can you explain that as you’re more of a professional about this than I am? So can you explain your part of it’s demonic and what parts not or is none of it demonic? Please explain in your own words.

Kelly Hawley
So the Lord in His goodness, you know, he is, he’s so good. And he knows everything. In his goodness, he created us in a way that he knew that because we because we let sin in, he knew that we would go through trauma, he knew we would have hard times in this world. So instead of us just not being able to function and just, you know, die, or whatever, he made it where we could take a part of our soul with whatever that trauma is, and break it off behind an amnesia wall. So that the core doesn’t even know it happened until the time that he wants to deal with it. So he puts it behind amnesia walls, and they hold that memory. Because if you saw that memory when it was too soon before you’re ready to deal with it, you wouldn’t be able to function in this world. So it’s almost like a failsafe that when the trauma gets too hard. Instead of just checking out nine, you can hit that that button and a piece breaks off. And it’s capsulized. And it holds that trauma. Okay. Now, with that trauma, there could be a demon attached or not. When they’re talking regular di D. It’s not as likely although it could still be just depending on what was going on to make that trauma occur. But when you’re talking about di D that occurs from satanic ritual abuse, this is purposeful. They do it on purpose, to attach the demons and entities to those parts so that they can use them for a purpose.

Joshua T Berglan
Wow, how much I don’t know how to appropriately ask this question. Have you heard about the brain anus connection? Do you know what I’m referring to? Because I don’t know how to say it. And not be completely inappropriate because the way the way. In other words, your your anus is attached to the spinal cord which goes into your brain. And part of the reason why you’re sodomized is to cause that split and there’s a dimmer and allowing the demonic to enter into you You don’t I didn’t explain it very well. But again, trying to not be grossly inappropriate.

Kelly Hawley
Yeah, I totally get what you’re saying. Let me say I wouldn’t doubt it. Because that is one of the ways they purposely traumatize people. That’s an important aspect. Not only is it a way to fracture and split, but it’s also a way to give offering to their fake gods. So I wouldn’t doubt it. But I, I can’t speak to it exactly in terms of a clinical or you know, word, but it happens all the time. Put it that way,

Joshua T Berglan
I found about two and a half years ago was about the same time that I learned about the truth about Dr. Fauci and some other things that I won’t discuss right now. It was about the time that I started to find the information on this, and then all of a sudden, it disappeared. And I’m so bummed, I didn’t save it. Because it was interesting to me. Because that is, when I think of some of the initiations that are done. That’s one of the things that’s done, I think about what happened to me, and where and all that, you know, when I started to go the opposite direction of I think the, the path that God wanted me to go on it, and I think about that, and then I think about the soul tie aspect of that, and how the demonic, you know, can be transferred through a seed. And so I started to make that connection and almost blew my almost blew my mind. And then of course, I learned about through that learned about the not not snakes, what are those parasites? How parasites can get into the body that way? I mean, it comes through foods and other things. But these parasites are like little demons, how much do you know about parasites in the box?

Kelly Hawley
Well, those who have been ritually abused, in particular have tons of parasites I actually have, I talked about how we want to do approach of spiritual, physical and emotional, we have a scanner that can will scan people. And it will actually show us if they have a parasite in which they like, we’re forced to drink blood and do different stuff like that. So there’s a huge trend of those who were SRA that they have parasites and some very big ones. And it’s an issue. And it does a lot of stuff is passed down generationally to the students of the forefathers passed down third and fourth generation Well, if nobody ever, that’s 400 years alone, but if nobody ever repents and stuff and cuts it off, it just keeps getting passed down. So a lot of this stuff is generational. And that’s how they harvest the power to you know, the bloodline is very important to them. That’s why they Yeah, yeah.

Joshua T Berglan
Gosh, it just this wormhole goes so deep. Hmm, oh, my goodness. Um, I, I love what you’re doing. And if we can ever be of any support to any of your people that are going through the healing journey, and her wanting to learn different skills to go start their own career, you know, whether it’s a ministry or whatever it may be, if we can ever be of service, you know, our heart is for the people you serve. And, and, you know, we again, we don’t serve in the same way, but we like to use the assets that we have with media, and broadcasting to be a service to organizations like yours and the people you serve. So if there’s anything we can ever do, please let us know. Because it’s going to take more people sharing this truth from all over the world, to help bring healing, become an understanding and compassion. Because when people don’t understand something, instead of being patient learning and asking questions, they tend to get dismissed, they tend to be pushed aside or though they’re a freak or other weird, oh, they have multiple personalities, stay away from them, they belong in the loony bin. But the truth is, I believe with all my heart, I believe it because I know it in my own life, how God can use it. I believe that those are God’s superheroes, the people you’re serving, because once they heal, they get to go out because sexual abuse I mean, sex has talked about so much in the Bible, in its sacredness, and its importance and its power and the the evil that can also be a part of it. And yet here we are, where Trump, you know, children are being traumatized, and it changes their brain chemistry in the way that they are and the way that they believe and then they don’t trust and then they don’t know what love is As they think they’re giving their body away as a love, or however they choose to cope with it, the fact is that it, it changes us, especially when our innocence is robbed. But yet, that journey that we all go on, and it all looks, it looks different for most people. You know, it’s not always the same. But the fact is, once they recover, I believe that they have supernatural gifts that God intends to use to heal the nation’s. I believe it with all my heart. And so anything that we can do to help support that, please let us know.

Kelly Hawley
Yes, it’s funny you use that word, because that’s what I’ve been saying about him. I’m like, these are like little superheroes. Yeah, it was amazing. And he has a plan that he is unfolding with them as well, and the redemption of them. I mentioned to you before, he has me writing a book called the will, which we just talked about earlier about the importance of the will. And then the subtitle is the redeeming of the satanic soldier. And actually, it’s either soldier or super soldier. I’m trying to hear Him clearly on that. But that’s really what’s going on is he is redeeming them, the enemy thought that he had this army, that he was going to take over the world, but the Lord is redeeming them. Hallelujah. But the thing is, people have to stop being afraid the enemy feeds off this chaos and this sphere and all this stuff. If we could get to know who we are in Him. In the spirit realm, we’re huge if we really can get that. And those demons got to go, those entities got to go. But we have to know who we are. And unfortunately, the church isn’t really teaching people who they really are. No, that has to change.

Joshua T Berglan
Oh, amen to that. Amen. I don’t think the church knows what to do with sexual abuse victims, they don’t, because it’s so close to home, because so much of it’s happening in the church. Yes. I mean, it’s happening everywhere outside of the church, but it’s happening in the church too. And with all the arrest of some of the pastors that are public, and there’s gonna be more coming, and this is going to trigger a falling away, we need all of God’s warriors to step up into their true purpose. Because we have a lot of people to go after, I know that Jesus left the 99, to go after the one. But you know what, we have a role in that too, we’ve got to go back for the people that have been left behind, we got to go back to the places that, you know, we’ve been freed from, it’s our duty to go back. And once we do that, I believe that we will cause such a shift. And such an awakening, and I’m not trying to borrow a cue thing because I’m anti cue. But it is going to be an awakening. And and when people feel and see God’s truth, and his healing power, and all that he can do the redemption, like the more of us that can that have been redeemed, that have had our lives turned around, we’ve got to start speaking out. But we also got to go back for those people that were left in the places we were freed from, because those are God superheroes to and it’s our duty to do so.

Kelly Hawley
And the truth is, most of them are sitting right next to you. They’re your neighbor, they’re your co worker, statistically one in three girls, one in four to five boys is sexually abused, but that is hooing aborted. That’s what’s reported. Nobody reports it because nothing ever happens because statue limitations and the dragged through the mud. So really, that could be doubled. So I would I would lay money on one and two people wanted two women, probably one in three boys had been somehow sexually abused. I don’t know if you know Russ does door but he says that when he passed, unfortunately. But his estimate is there’s 20 million of the SRA MK Ultra out there that are just sleeping, waiting for the enemy to waiting for them to be activated. But the Lord is going to redeem them. And we have to have faith in that but we have to do our part. He wants to partner with us. He’s always wanted to partner with his creation man. He partner with Moses, he’s part of David, you know, he partners with them. He doesn’t just take one and go like this. We have to rise up and start doing something. And I’m just inviting everybody out there to join us. There’s a place for you. Like I said, I don’t care if it’s just doing emails for us. If it’s if it’s financial, if If you’re in the area or when I moved to the area and you want to do the ministry, I do train people. So it’s just you know, there is a place.

Joshua T Berglan
Amen. Kelly, please tell everybody where they can support you and your organization. plug anything you want to plug.

Kelly Hawley
Well, we are at WWW dot warrior bride ministry.org or calm. And when you go to the website, there’s a place if you need an appointment. Again, we’re no charge, we don’t charge you. So don’t think that that is something that’s going to limit you and get in your healing. If you need if you want to volunteer, there’s a volunteer button. If you want to donate there’s a Donate button. We do do conferences in which we teach people about this stuff. We do have a church program where we would go into churches and talk and train and teach and get them trauma ready. We have business program for partnerships of businesses, we have a legacy program where people who have passed on want to continue, have a place where the work is continued. We have several ways that you can get involved. If you want to be hands on I will train the people that their heart is in the right place. So just please reach out, please join the fight, if it’s not with us somewhere else. And I’ll just give my T shirt a plug. We won’t be quiet so you can be comfortable. Everybody, everybody’s motto.

Joshua T Berglan
Hallelujah. I love that shirt. Kelly, God bless you, God bless your mission, and all the people that you serve. I am so grateful for your time. And I look forward to talking to you again.

Kelly Hawley
Thank you. Thank you for having me. And God bless.

Joshua T Berglan
Thank you see you soon. Kelly Hollywood everyone. Thank you so much for that. It’s one of those conversations, I think we got to just kept going. Because there’s so much information there. And it’s there’s so many layers to the work that’s done. But you get the point. And like I said before, like I was, I was wrong about a few people. And but it’s I’ll tell you the blessing and being wrong about the people I was wrong about is it heightened our discernment and helped us learn to ask the right questions, and also learned how to investigate people a little bit differently. And I’m grateful for that. I’m grateful for those. I look at it as a failure. I look at it as a it’s a heartbreak, too. Because we went in just like we want to serve and we want to help anybody and that’s that was our attitude. And it still is but now we’re making sure that we’re not helping the two. And you know what warrior bride ministries I believe with all my heart is doing God’s work. And of course you can you can see it in her eyes. You can see it and her smile and and there’s just the joy of the Lord there. And I think that that is something to pay attention to when we’re trying to discern with who’s the fraud and who’s not. So God bless Kelly and what they’re doing you guys, please go to warrior bride ministries.com Or we’re warrior bride ministries.org And so into their doing God’s work, they need your support. She’s not asking for money. She’s working serving the Lord. She relies on the blessings of others. And I relate to that. But you guys go out and support them. And if you are in the area, volunteer, why not? Why not? All right. Thank you for being here. God bless you. Bye

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