A Conversation w/ Joshua T Berglan welcomes Drag Artist Billy aka Kitty Demure aka Hogatha Cysty for a powerful chat about the difference between the LGBTQ community and the agenda, what it is like to speak out against the agenda, what people should know about drag culture, discovering our sexuality, the church and how God can and will use anyone for His purposes.

Drag artist Billy has worked in the drag industry for over 10 years. He has worked with the most famous performers of our time. His character, Kitty Demure, gained attention globally for his video discouraging parents and children from bringing children into drag culture, knowing that it is an adult entertainment and lifestyle. During covid, Billy created an online character named Hogatha Cysty. Hogatha has become an internationally known character. Known as a “meme queen”. Hogatha holds a mirror to society and forces people to think critically about current culture. He is often banned and de-platformed from social media. He equally upsets all sides of politics.

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Joshua T Berglan

 

Joshua T Berglan, aka The World’s Mayor, is a voice for the voiceless and is driven to elevate the passion, purpose, and mission of those he serves. Joshua is the Chairman of the Live Mana Worldwide Foundation & Live Mana Network, Shock-Jock Evangelist, International #1 Best Selling Author for the Book “The Devil Inside Me” a Producer, and Filmmaker. Joshua is an expert in the future of media and loves supporting others in helping make their dreams come true.

TRANSCRIPT 

Joshua T Berglan
What’s up ladies and gentlemen, my name is Joshua and welcome to a conversation with Joshua T Berglan. On the live mana Network. Thank you so much for being here. And if you’re curious where you can find the live mana network, we are all over the place, including Google News, you can scan weight opposite I did it again, that one, you can scan that barcode, you can find links to the live mana worldwide foundation that my wife and I run together. We are a nonprofit media organization that want aims to not just elevate voices for the voiceless, but also be a voice for the voiceless. And we want to thank you for all of your support and helping us continue our mission. Of course, the lib mana foundation oversees this network, the live mana network, and just so grateful for you because regardless of how much we are kicked off of Facebook and YouTube, just YouTube again, I’m on strike too, with YouTube, Twitter, you name it, we have the digital Noah’s Ark. And I want to thank you for your support allowing us to do this because even though I don’t like being censored, and I don’t like having our videos removed, especially for telling the truth, it happens, but because we have the ark, we are we are okay. And I thank you for that. Today is going to be a very special broadcast. I mean, very special, I’ve never had the opportunity to do anything like this. And I’m excited. And I’m grateful for it. And the reason why is because I Well, first and foremost, you we’ve had guests on where they were on the opposing view, where we had a worker named Kelly, where she was after, you know, the people that were doing that the drag the drag strip clubs, right, in Texas, we had her on, and it was interesting to hear her point of view, and we hear all of these different opinions and we’ve had people from the LGBT community on and the reason why is because I think these are important conversations to have, especially with my own life, if you’ve read my book, the book, my wife, and I put together the devil inside me, you know, my history, you know, my history with being a chem sex addict, you know, my history with sleeping with transgendered with men, with women with sometimes I wasn’t really sure I’ve done at all and as a chem sex addict, I don’t think you’re real particular about where you’re putting your penis or your private parts. So, um, that said, I have a heart for the LGBT community, because I’ve been a part of it most of my life. And yeah, that’s probably offensive to some Christians. I understand. I love the Lord with all my heart. But that doesn’t mean that I’m free from sin, or I’m free from anything, you know, I mean, look, I’ve healed so much I’ve healed and recovered from di D. You know, and I have some little instances here and there. I have some drug cravings from time to time, but my old life is gone. That said, my heart for where I came from my heart for the people that are still suffering has never changed. And that said, there are other people that are not suffering, that are in the LGTB community as much as I see some of the memes and I see some of the comments on Twitter and social media that go around. And the fact is that, you know, God loves everybody. God loves everybody in it. Even after two years after giving my life to the Lord. I struggled with realizing that God loved me and had an even a place for me. Imagine that the whole time in church, I’m hearing Oh, you can save you and boba and all the stuff. But for two years, I didn’t even know that God loved me. And because of that, I had no chance of really changing because I didn’t how was I ever gonna love myself, if I can’t accept the fact that the Creator loves me. So with that said, this this, the conversation with Joshua T Bergland is probably a little bit different kind of ministry than you’re probably used to if you’re new here watching.

But the fact is that I want to have conversations with people from all walks of life, because I want to understand and just because you can’t label just because someone’s gay, doesn’t mean they’re a kid toucher. Because somebody’s trans doesn’t mean that they’re a demon. Because somebody is dresses, their their performance artist, they’re a drag artist. It doesn’t mean that they want to go Dance and shake their button front of little kids. Some people are against it. And I’ve said and I could be wrong about this, but I believe with all my heart there is a massive difference between the LGBT LGBT Q community and the agenda behind it. There is a huge difference and I hope to understand some of those differences today. We have an amazing guest. Some of you know her as kitty, demure, some of you know Hagia, I hope I’m saying the name last name, right? sisty haga sisty. But just an amazing human being because I’ve had the opportunity to talk off air with our guests and just have such a cool report. Just think he’s a special human being. And what drew me to him was a video he did was speaking out as kiddie against, well, the over sexualization of children, which seems to be a massive problem right now. I think you guys are gonna love him. And here’s the thing if you are a believer, if you’re a Christian watching this program, and I love the fact that we have a very diverse audience, but if you are a Christian, and you are just looking at anyone who is a performer, they dress in drag, they’re transgender, they’re gay, they’re bisexual, and you have nothing, but you’re gonna, oh, that’s all you gotta say. And you point to the Bible verses and you point out them. Well, I hope and pray that you sit through this entire broadcast, with an open heart and an open mind. And I hope that with that you will have a new understanding of it’s a personal relationship, not a community relationship with God. And we are to love. We are too weird to be the hands and feet. And we’re not to hate and discriminate against anybody. And for those of you who don’t like the guests that I choose, watch something else. You don’t have to watch. I don’t care, but I want to have conversations with people from all walks of life, all nationalities, all genders, all sexualities, I don’t want language, religion, none of that matters. I want to know, because here’s what I believe. I believe that we’re all a lot more alike than we want to admit. And not in the way that when we’re trying to fit in, but are at our core, we’re all the same. We want to be loved, we really genuinely do want to love and we want to care for people. But when we get religion and and in the media and everybody else coming in with their agenda, what they have done is created such a diversion, that we don’t even know who we are anymore. We’ve lost our identity. So I think it’s ironic that we have a drag performer coming on today with a few different identities. But I think when you get to know who he is as a man, I think you’re going to fall in love just like I have so we’ll be right back after the short message.

welcome back my name is Joshua Welcome to a conversation with Josh with T Berglan. You guys again are in for a treat. Absolutely love our guests personality and and I just had Again, I just pray that you have an open mind and open heart and are willing to be faced with some things that maybe you run from sometimes. Anyway, I could just go on and ramble. I’m not gonna ramble. But ladies and gentlemen, I am so excited he is. First of all, he’s known all over the world. As a performance artist as a drag artist. His name they call him Billy, drag artist Billy, William Browning, Hagatha Cysty and Kitty Demore. Welcome to a conversation with Joshua T. Berglund. How are you?

Drag Artist Billy
I’m great, Joshua. Thanks for having me.

Joshua T Berglan
I’m very, very honored to have you. I’ve really enjoyed that I normally don’t talk to people ahead of ahead of an interview, but I really enjoyed getting to know you a little bit more through, you know, sending some texts back and forth. So I just, again, just honored and thrilled to have you here. And with that said, before we get into all the questions in the fun. What are you grateful for today, and why

Drag Artist Billy
I’m grateful for my health. And being alive. I recently had a heart attack, and had a triple bypass surgery. And I had no idea how horrible my health was. And I’m 60 days out from having open heart surgery. And so I’m just thankful. Thankful to be alive.

Joshua T Berglan
Oh, man, I didn’t. I had no idea. I think you mentioned it, but I didn’t know it was like 60 days ago, right? Yeah, well, you look, you look incredible because after most people go through that they look like they’re kind of like death is knocking on their door a little bit. You look vibrant.

Drag Artist Billy
Thank you, I um, you know, I was just determined that I wasn’t going to let it keep me down, keep me depressed or in bed. And as soon as I could, I immediately got up started being active again, within, you know, the confines of the rules the doctors gave me but I was up walking a mile two miles within a month. And just I want to stay alive. And it’s actually helped me change my lifestyle as far as diet exercise, being more conscious of what I eat, because I was I was a lot heavier at one time. And even though I lost the weight it the body doesn’t forget the abs should into it. You know, whether it’s food, food, drugs, sun exposure, it doesn’t forget. So

Joshua T Berglan
yeah, we’ve discussed that a little bit. And when I was telling you about having a me having HIV, and we were saying that you dodged a bullet, and where we relate, we were pretty involved in the chem sex world. And that is a very, very dangerous, I think about some of the decisions that I made. I’m shocked that I’m alive. Like, I think I got off lucky, just having HIV. And right. It’s terrifying. Why do we make these choices? With our bodies? Like, do we not know? It? Does the pain of what we’re going through, outweigh the knowledge of going? Yeah, that’s probably going to rot my insides out, destroy my brain, make my teeth fall out and everything else.

Drag Artist Billy
I think, you know, we all have our own journey. And we all have to learn in our own time. And, you know, the funny thing is, I can’t say I was ignorant to all of the consequences. I won’t claim I won’t claim to be dumb. You know, I’ve watched people around me destroy their lives on the same substances, food, and lifestyle or whatever, you know, that I was doing. And you know, I just followed right along knowing the consequence, although I’m also grateful, you know, the, I dodged the HIV bullet, and I should actually, I, I’m guilty, just as guilty as anybody else who lived a reckless lifestyle. I just got lucky in that way.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, it’s in you mentioned diet, too, that my diet got out of control. So I became a coke addict before I became a meth addict. And I wouldn’t eat Of course, when I was doing below and because I didn’t want to ruin the effect, and so I wouldn’t days, but then when I would eat, it’d be sausage and egg biscuits, donuts, and cheeseburgers and hashbrowns and everything else. So cocaine, I always joke and say cocaine made me fat, because I got up to 300 pounds. But it was really because I just shut down my system doing cocaine so much was off. But anyway, I don’t want to sit here and talk about drugs. I just want to say that. I applaud you. I mean, I’ve already shared this with you privately. But I applaud you for the stand that you took when you spoke out as kitty which was not a performance, which is not you weren’t acting this was true to your heart because even haga will speak for some very, very hard truths to people. But you spoke out against the over sexualization of kids and you were kicked off of Twitter for it. Is that correct?

Drag Artist Billy
You’re correct. You know, it’s and the funny thing is I was kicked off by my own suppose and community, you know, they do mass bullying? Well, I call it mass bullying, reporting. And, you know, once they, that you, they get enough reports and things against you, they just get rid of you, they just rather get rid of the perceived problem, and just appease the masses, rather than the one person who’s trying to speak the truth.

Joshua T Berglan
How does that feel, though? Because you’ve, you’re a name in the community. I mean, there’s people outside of the community that know who you are now, but and they probably knew of you before. But you’re a name. It’s not like you’re just somebody that’s going to some, I don’t know how to how to describe it, but like, you’re kind of important to the community. So how does it feel to have them turn their back on you in this way?

Drag Artist Billy
This is the thing, I don’t think they realize the importance. While they all traveled down one road of, you know, mindset in the way of thinking and lifestyle, I’ve diverged a little too, on a different road. And I’ve always wanted to make drag, and the performance of it more more, I guess, palatable, to say, average people, and to not make it so sexual and not make it so political, and ugly. Although my character is ugly, but the character No, no, Kitty isn’t a kitty. Kitty basically is me. Just beautified as a woman speaking my truth thoughts were haga is a character I created, which is just the opposite, that holds up a mirror to society, and does it in a satirical way, also weaved with truths. And to just show how ugly the ugliness is in society right now.

Joshua T Berglan
It seems like though, that is where this is a pure example of there’s a difference between the community and the agenda. Is that correct?

Drag Artist Billy
Oh, yeah, you know, when it comes, the agenda is more important than the community. And it’s, it’s, I call it a cult, you know, because if you do not fall in line, if you do not listen to what they want you to listen to, if you don’t speak the things they want you to speak, you are pretty much exiled. And I’m fine with that. You know, I, I’ve existed without the community, I don’t I get along with everybody. I’m not I’m not an outcast, just because I am a homosexual. And just because I do drag doesn’t mean I’m an outcast from average society.

Joshua T Berglan
Right? That’s, yeah, I mean, that’s, that’s just a simple, simple truth. So I want to ask you some very, probably lame questions, but you have to understand, there’s a lot of ignorant and I don’t mean the word ignorant. I mean, the literal meaning of ignorant people that are watching this right now that don’t know, they think that drag queen is a sexuality or they think that, you know, cross dressing is a sexuality, or there’s just a lot of different beliefs. And there’s a lot of confusion around what things are, they just follow along with what the media saying or what’s popular on Twitter. So forgive me for asking some very, very simple, probably ridiculous questions. But is drag is that a sexuality? If not, what is it?

Drag Artist Billy
Okay, drag, drag, ultimately, as a performance art. It actually is, in my opinion, birthed from misogyny from the past. Women were not allowed to perform on stage until the 1600s. So men played women characters on the stage. So this is not a new concept. Well, apparently, after even women were allowed on stage, the art continued. And here we are today. It is dominated mostly I would say by gay men. I mean, vast majority are gay men. It’s not, I’m gonna say for some, they get a sexual feeling from it. Because it allows them to be this sexual being, if that’s the character they’re creating, and they’re able to exhibit that in public. Now, drag in a gay nightclub, very much relies on sex and filth and, you know, perversion, things like that, but it’s an adult setting. For some reason. They now want to To cater or draw in children and the ones that are doing it are not Mrs. Doubtfire. You know that’s and they want to pretend Well, Mrs. Doubtfire was a drag queen. Well, not really Mrs. Doubtfire with a dad trying to have a relationship with his children, you know, and it was wholesome. And it was nice. When you’re sitting there, doing the split strip teasing and spreading your legs in front of children. That is not appropriate drag. It’s just isn’t so. So I don’t I don’t think I it’s not a sexual orientation. It’s just a performance art. But the sexual things do leach out of it.

Joshua T Berglan
Is there a difference between drag and cross dressing?

Drag Artist Billy
You know, it’s I think, yes, a crossdresser. In my world, in my community, what people that discussions are a crossdresser is typically a heterosexual man who kind of gets off on wearing women’s panties, and things like that. But then there’s also the transvestite, which you never hear about anymore, which would be a man who goes out and wears women’s clothing, and isn’t necessarily sexually turned on by it. They just maybe like the attention. But they don’t typically live as a woman.

Joshua T Berglan
Wow. So when you’re a kid, like when did you know you’re a gay? Let’s just start there.

Drag Artist Billy
I knew from a very early age. It I wish I could remember. But I always I do remember being attracted to males. And but I also had girlfriends as well, you know, I, I knew the average society and our culture that you know, you get with a woman and you get married have children. So I wanted that. But I also knew I was attracted to men from a very early age. And it I would say in elementary school, I knew I can’t really pinpoint the age.

Joshua T Berglan
Did it? Did it start after a trauma? Or was it you were just you just knew?

Drag Artist Billy
Well? Oh, that’s that’s a hard one. Well,

Joshua T Berglan
you don’t have to answer anything. I asked. By the way. No, no, no,

Drag Artist Billy
I did experience trauma as a child sexual, but at the hands of a female and a male. And so I don’t know. The first I would say was the the female she was a college aged babysitter. And I was nine years old. I remember my age, I was nine. And then after that, probably a year later was with from a 16 year old kid who was my new babysitter’s brother. But I can’t say around the same age, I also stumbled into my father’s pornography stash. So me and my brother would watch pornography that we found so I was sexualized from a very early age. And I knew that when it came to say the pornography I did. At nine years old, I knew I was more attracted to the men and the video than the woman.

Joshua T Berglan
That is so crazy how similar I mean, age is different, but men and women for me. But I remember even before, because I remember the setup before I was molested by the two guys the first time, I remember just a day or two before watching porn for the first time. And I remember, I will never get it out of my head, I can see the image as clear as day to this day as much as I tried to scrub it from my mind, especially for what it led up to. But I remember what I was drawn to. And without going into all the details because they don’t really matter. It was very confusing for me. Because here it was, I was attracted to both. And I didn’t understand why didn’t understand what it really was. Except for that it was rubbing something up inside of me and then being molested after a couple of days later. Like even though I didn’t understand what happened. I can’t say that I hated the experience except for the fact that I was scared only because they said if you say anything, bad things are gonna happen to you. And that’s when it got confusing for me. It was after that.

Drag Artist Billy
That is a very similar experience I had with the 16 year old I was actually intrigued by it. Because I was attracted to males. So it wasn’t like a forceful thing. It was but but there was still I’m nine or 10 and the 16 and you know, but the female One was really traumatic for me because I, I really trusted women and really looked up to women. And you know, I there’s women have a strong presence in my family. And they’re usually for some reason the the in charge of the households and raising the kids. And so I was very shocked and grossed out by her. But with him, I had already been exposed to porn and knew that I was attracted to males. And so once he got me in this position to, for this to happen, I didn’t fight or anything. I was intrigued by it.

Joshua T Berglan
Did it? Did you feel hurt afterwards? Meaning that, were you scared or like, what was the emotions afterwards? Because it seemed like, Okay, well, I didn’t ask for this to happen. But I’m also not saying no. So what was that like for you afterwards?

Drag Artist Billy
I never thought about that. I felt maybe I felt dirty because of what happened, but I wasn’t hurt by it. It I didn’t feel hurt by it. I it it’s hard to explain. Because I will physically wasn’t hurt. But because I, I in a way. Because I had been exposed I think to pornography. I was like interested. I was interested in it.

Joshua T Berglan
See, this is these are stories mirror each other in pretty interesting way. So as you get older, like when did you get into the drugs, mixing drugs and sex together? Like when did that happen?

Drag Artist Billy
17 years old. It was math. It was like 1987 meth was huge. At the time here in Southern California. People mostly did it because they Oh, it keeps you up all night. And you’ll stay skinny forever. And that’s, that’s what we that’s what we thought it you know, well, it does. But you know, it. But you know, it was other things. But you know, it’s I was seeing I had I in high school, I had boyfriends and girlfriends. And it’s funny how you talk about the chem sex stuff, because I never really considered that being a part of my life until now. Because it, it was often they were together and was intermingled in my relationships. And it, it’s, it’s something I never considered. And, and yeah, it was all it was all combined. And it became a it’s just a way of life, you know, and, and it’s funny how it travels, I was in relationship, a relationship along one with a female, and we were on drugs together. And it was a constant in our life. But the minute I tried to sober up and get off drugs, it completely changed the relationship to where we couldn’t have one anymore. And

Joshua T Berglan
that’s it’s that’s, that’s, that’s tough. And I one of the toughest things for me to get over because I didn’t really ever have normal sex. It was always there was always something traumatic attached to it, or there was drugs involved. Like there was no in between. So the thought, I mean, now I’m able to have normal sex and have a family and things like that, that I never could have had before. Because I was like, oh my god, like the thought of I couldn’t even think of sex with a partner without needing drugs, whether I was married to them or not. So I mean, that lifestyle absolutely just completely wrecked me. Because that became chasing after that became more important than anything else. Like I just completely lost my way. But all it really came down to and I was thinking about this. You know, when I turned my life around, is all I think so much of it routed back to all my problems, all the struggle. It wasn’t being molested or abused that I mean, obviously that had its issues. But for me, it was learning to lie. That became the greatest poison of all to me, which sounds crazy when you’re abusing meth and cocaine and having sex with you know, God knows how many people on a four day span like that sounds it is. It’s as terrible as it sounds especially risky to like really learning to lie. It crippled me because I didn’t know my identity. I didn’t know who I was. I didn’t know what I was created for. If I got any glimpse of what I was supposed to do, I was like screw that noise and then just went right back to the drugs for you, especially having different characters that you let come out and play and you dress up as an artist does it ever mess with you knowing your identity

Drag Artist Billy
while doing a character?

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, I mean do like or do you? Do you wait to go into the character until you feel like it? Or is it just okay, this is the performance. This is what I’m doing. Is it anything like that?

Drag Artist Billy
Okay when it comes to Hagia Sophia, yes kitty No, because Kitty is me just in drag. But haga, who is the comedic one, the satirical one. It’s interesting because when I I, when I created haga, haga is basically a conglomeration of people that I’ve known, and myself, before I became, you know, a more mature person. So I understand these emotions that these people have, and so I can tap into it. So at first, it was like, really fun, oh, I’m gonna create this character. But as you know, here we are years into it. It’s not so easy for me to do it. Because I have to access these emotions, I have to access, you know, a way of thinking that I’ve long abandoned but I still understand. So it good, good, good. No, so it does, it gets exhausting. And there’s times I’ll be in, because I can go eight hours of just improvising, doing a live up doing a live on Facebook and YouTube. And, you know, because I interact with the audience asked me questions, they tried to trigger me, then of course, I act really triggered and dramatic and traumatized. Because that’s what they really want to see. And so it gets exhausted, it just gets exhausting after a while.

Joshua T Berglan
Do you feel that it’s a healthy release for you? Or do you? Are you starting to resent the character even exist?

Drag Artist Billy
No, yeah, that’s the funny thing there. It’s almost like it’s therapeutic. And it gets out all this junk that I’ve, I’ve had for so many years. And while I’ll come up with just some ridiculous story about haga, the audience is unaware that I have put some of my own truth and my own experiences and life in there. And I guess it’s a way of just kind of purging is the best way I could describe it.

Joshua T Berglan
God, I you know, what, I, I’ve thought about creating a different character that I could hide behind somehow not necessarily drag, but trying to figure whether it’s an animation or whatever. I can’t walk in heels. So and I was hoping that you were going to dress up I know, you told me you weren’t because you’re gonna grow a beard. So as soon as I saw your shaved face, I was like, oh, maybe he’s gonna dress. But I, there’s, there’s so many things, like I say a lot. And I share myself vulnerably vulnerably. And I’m honest, and I’m bold about whatever’s going on with me, my personal struggles where I’m falling short, I’m willing to talk about all that. But there is an angst inside of me that wants to just lash out or to release and go after. I mean, really very similar to your haga character, because like, I just want to be that painful mirror for people to like, do not see your hypocrisy here. Do you not see, like your how deceived you are? Like, I, I want to be that, but I know. And this is why I have got to figure out a better way to release it. I know me being that way. Never really gets a good result coming back ever. Like Me is me doing this. If I say anything that appears lashing out, oh, he’s angry, and he’s gonna go abuse people again, or he’s gonna go, like, that’s what it would be. Like, I’m almost envious of these people that can hide behind characters and just say whatever they want to say, like they do on Twitter. Like,

Drag Artist Billy
if you want to do it from behind a mask, so nobody can say oh, this is Joshua doing this. No, I understand. Or, or

Joshua T Berglan
it’s because if you say anything, I mean, it’s bad. Okay, so I had somebody that is a witch on my program, and I’m, I’m not a preacher, but I love Jesus and I talk about Jesus on my show. And I do lessons from the Bible too. But at the same time, I’m just as quick to go tell somebody to go F themselves and when I’d like rip their throat out as I am holier than now like, I have both moments. I have very extreme motion sometimes. And it’s sometimes feels very dangerous, leaving some of that angst inside because what release do I have? And again, saying things that are going to come back, you know how good it feels to say stuff, even though you don’t mean it? Like when you’re angry? You don’t really mean it, but you just need to say it to get it out. I have a lot of that. You may have to teach me to walk in heels. So I can come up with a new character and just unleashed on people.

Drag Artist Billy
Well, you know, it’s funny, because what, what’s typical? And like the shows that I do, I get a lot of people watching and they’ll share it, you know, I’ll get a large audience and my audience is usually a lot of trolls in there who are like, Who’s this freak show? And they don’t realize that I’m an act. So they’re being trolled, but they think they’re trolling me. And it’s really interesting. So what I’ll do is they’ll say something really insulting. And it’s funny. You know, I do like that, because my audience has really been built by the people who used to hate me. And then they realize, Oh, it’s a satire. Well, what I would do is they would come in and be real insulting to me. And then I would I usually I would have a I have a green screen in a during my show. And I would access their like social media and put their picture up behind me. And then just completely roast them. Just and the audience loves it. And then the people love it. They’ll say, hey, haga roast me next roast me next. But it is it is it’s a great exercise and getting out. Yes, your aggressions and things and, and people are there to be a punching bag on my show. Anyway,

Joshua T Berglan
what I want to start tuning in, just so I can harass you, though. So I want to go back to the video, the infamous video. Okay, speaking out as kitty. Okay. And that took some courage to do, I would imagine, but what motivated you to speak out?

Drag Artist Billy
What motivated me was, first of all my own my own experiences growing up, okay. I am back, like, kind of back to when I was a kid, around the age where I knew I was gay. I knew a homosexual who was very close to our family. And he just really grossed me out. He was just real flamboyant, and just real sexual, and just really, you know, just dirty, he was dirty. And he wasn’t like toward me, you know, just as his personality. And I thought as a kid, I don’t want to be I know, I’m gay. And I don’t want to be like that when I grow up. And like he was my only example of of a gay man. And I see today how these people in the community who are dressing up as women being sexual, doing all of this dirty stuff, their nighttime drag Act, in libraries, you know, in functions that that are including and made for children. I think about those kids, and I’ll see the pictures and we’ll see the expressions of the, on their faces. And like, you know, not everybody is enjoying this. And those kids just didn’t ride their bikes and show up their their mothers, more than likely their mothers brought them there. And it just started really bothering me. And then then I started thinking, You know what, this is really making the community look bad. You know, they have put us all under this umbrella, LGBTQ X, Y, Z, community, umbrella. And I, and I’m like, You know what, I’m just a G. I’m gay. I’m not the rest of the alphabet. And I’m not going to allow you to drag me underneath here. And I’m not going to support this. I’m just not. So I don’t like the way you’re making us all. Look, you know, gay, gay men for years have been called pedophiles and perverts and deviants, and all of these things. And here we are in a modern time where you know what, people can feel comfortable sitting next to you, and you know, not call you the F word. Or, you know, a queer Well, now, now, they call themselves queers. But it’s, you know, we kind of got to a place where, you know, what, I’m not going to walk down the hallway in high school, and be harassed, you know, and which, in my, my day, you were, and so now, our own community, suppose that community is going out there, and just dancing and taking off their clothes and being sexual in front of kids. And I don’t understand why they would take 10 steps back after we’ve taken five step forward. I don’t get that.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, that doesn’t make sense to me, either. And it almost makes me think, I mean, obviously, the agenda is well funded. Someone’s funding clearly. And, and I don’t know if they’re setting up casting calls, and these people in these videos are all actors. And it’s meant to, you know, some kind of psychological operation to make us all mad and hate each other and cause division and all of the different communities now that we’re pushed into in the boxes that society wants to put us in. But it’s something about it other than the fact that it’s just blatantly evil. Something’s off because how in the hell would anyone think that it’s okay to let some On a child see your a stranger’s butt, or in some cases, spreading their legs when there’s no underwear and letting them see their penis. And I mean, there’s there’s so many of these extremes that are happening. It’s like our parents really doing this, or someone paying them to do it. Have you ever asked yourself that question?

Drag Artist Billy
And that already talked about the audience and the performer?

Joshua T Berglan
Well, really all the above, like, I mean, you’ve seen I’ve seen the casting calls for protesters and things like that. Yeah. Never seen the casting calls for this. But it does seem like there’s something like that involved. So it could be the performer. Could be the audience. It could be I don’t know. I mean, do you think that there’s something else going on? Besides the obvious of what we see?

Drag Artist Billy
I do think there is, I think, some sort of agenda going on. I mean, because all media and everything is they’re pushing it, and even a so called doctors are pushing it, you know, the whole trans movement with kids. And I know, I knew somebody who did do a storybook reading in a library. And I don’t know, I don’t know if, you know, if he was approached by some nefarious group to do it. But you know, I can say that the drag queens, they love being accepted, and they love money. You know, so there’s one particular

Joshua T Berglan
dress, it’s, it’s expensive to perform, those wigs aren’t cheap.

Drag Artist Billy
No, it can take a lot of money. And no, and the thing is, they’re not even there, they could barely take care of their own needs. Like they, a lot of these drag queens, they live in studio apartments with three other people, they eat Top Ramen, like their life is just clubbing. That’s it. And it’s like the in the 90s, you had like the whole club kid thing. And it’s it’s very similar to that. It’s just an, you know, they just live to club and dress up. And so I knew this one person in particular did a reading in my town. And I saw him in a picture. And I’m like, This is who they have reading to children. This guy, he’s a prostitute, a drug, a drug user, he, he it. I was floored. I’m like, they don’t even care. They just want a man in a wig and makeup. They don’t even care about the quality of person that they are leaving, you know, to influence their children. That shocked me that really shocked me. And I’m like, it’s almost as if they’re not picking the best. I you know, why? Why are you picking someone and dressing them up as Mary Poppins? Why are they doing their nightclub act? And looking like hookers? At and, you know, and I get it, like, I’ve seen them with their legs spread? I know, they’re wearing like five pairs of nylons. I know they’re wearing foam on their butt to give them a female figure. But that child does not know. As they’re spreading their legs and robbing. They’re rubbing their crotch. They don’t know that all of that stuff is fake. They’re seeing a woman or an a very ugly woman perform in a very suggestive, sexual provocative way. And I don’t I don’t see the value. I don’t see the value at all in any of it.

Joshua T Berglan
What? With what you do that as a performer, what, what kind of bigger aspirations do you have as a performer? Is it world travel? Or is it touring? Because there’s a lot of time and effort that goes into getting ready. At least in my experience, one of my really good friends, I wrote when I tell you this really quick story. So when I was living in Oklahoma, I was actually living in Florida at the time. But I was going to I was living in Hawaii, going to move to Florida. And one of the guys that I had met at college cheerleading nationals met him hung out great time, one of the most amazing people I’ve ever met my life. Then I found out I was gay. And then I was very uncomfortable. Because I had my own experiences. I was very uncomfortable with my own sexuality, still still figuring things out. And then you know, and I had an issue with it. And then I remember asking myself, I You love this guy. Like you loved him, you hung out your great friends. And now you’re acting weird because of this, like what’s wrong with you? And it just shifted my perspective. Well then so as soon as I got comfortable with the fact that one of my best friends in the world was gay, and and I loved him and I was cool with that, because I didn’t see a lot of that growing up in Oklahoma. Anyway, so then that’s when I actually moved to Florida. We started going to clubs, space and all the different clubs in Fort Lauderdale and going to drag shows and then come to find I thought it was a drag queen. And we used to go to all the shows. I mean, it had the best time. And the key for him, it was truly performance art. Yes, he was gay. But it was performance art for him. And he loved it. And he had huge aspirations of touring with RuPaul, and doing a lot of different things like that. So like, that was his goal. Now, now he’s doing something completely different and having a time of his life, and God bless him for it. But for you, like this is, it seems like you’re committed, you’ve got both characters that are very have fan clubs on their own. What are your goals? Like, what do you want to accomplish with each character? Or do you have something as William that you want to do to?

Drag Artist Billy
That, and that’s a hard question for me to answer i, this has really sort of, taken off, and me not really knowing it would. So this is, like become an animal that I’m trying to tame and know what to do with. As far as like, say, performance, I’ve I’ve given up, like the dancing and the lip synching and in a club, you know, and I really, mostly because I’m 52, and they’re, you know, you’re sitting here competing with 18 to 30 year olds, you know, and I it’s just, and, and the audience tends to be very young. So I just, I’ve aged out of that. But during COVID times, I discovered the online community, and people were at home and bored, and I created the character. And it just exploded, in a way I didn’t expect it because it was a joke at first, haga. But that it’s, you know, I’ve people want to interview me, they want me to go places, and I’m like, I have to make this work into my life. Because I do have an AI job. I’m a manager of a nightclub. And I can’t just get up and leave whenever I want. So I don’t I really don’t know. I mean, I’ll take any opportunities as I can schedule. But I don’t know, honestly, where I’m going with this at all.

Joshua T Berglan
I could totally see you. I would look, I would read it. I would read a book from all three characters are not characters in you, right? Your life for sure. Because I mean, you have and working in the club business in LA, you see a lot of stuff. I know what my own experiences were like, and well, you’re the manager, so you’re gonna see a lot more.

Drag Artist Billy
So yeah, I see a lot. And I still produce drag shows. And so I, I still work with the highest level of drag queens and who’ve been on RuPaul and who have won the competition. And I, you know, being in Southern California, you see them all the time. And it’s been very, very interesting. And yeah, I could I could tell a million stories.

Joshua T Berglan
Oh, I’m sure. So I want to ask you something. I hope you’ll do this. And I don’t know if this is gonna make you uncomfortable or not. But I keep hearing that I just feel this in my spirit, I’m supposed to ask you. You’re talking to a lot of Christians, you’re talking to Muslims, you’re talking to atheists, you’re talking to Buddhist, you’re talking to Hindu you’re talking to gay, bisexual, and transgender people. You’re talking to people of all walks of life here, but specifically, the Christian community. What would you if you had the opportunity? If you were sitting at a pulpit in front of a church? What would you say to the audience?

Drag Artist Billy
Hmm. Well, I one thing I would say is, don’t you know, people just being gay that I’ve experienced, they like to be very repetitive and say the same things over and over again, as far as you’re going to hell. You’re an abomination. And I just, I think people do that out of their own guilt and insecurity. And it’s like, you know, what, don’t cover up your sin, by splash, you know, by by, you know, using mine, you know, if we’re all sinners, and Jesus died for everybody sin, then why is your sin better than mine? And I don’t understand. And, you know, I’m not I grew up briefly in the church I did. And I was born again and saved, that when I was like a teenager, and that’s one thing, you know, in all these years, he’s now 14 years and a pass by that has just been a continuous thing. From this loving, forgiving community is they love to persecute others and refuse to work on their own sin and, and acknowledging that if they become better people if they can help the world, the world become a better place. You just can’t sit there and judge people and think that it’s gonna get better. Why don’t you be a loving example? And and teach the world

Joshua T Berglan
that was good. That was so good. And you’re right. I, you know, I this is my probably make my mom uncomfortable, too. But I’m grateful that God because I listen, I know what the Bible says about homosexuality. And of course I’ve seen the rebuttals to it and like, well, that’s not the real translation. That’s not what it really means. which that happens with every, I think book of the Bible. Right? That’s not the point. But I am grateful that I have not. And I’ve asked God, listen, I want I want to be everything you created me to be, like, if that means that I’m no longer bisexual, or trisexual, whatever the heck I was. If that means that, I whatever that means, whatever that looks like, God, that’s what I want, I want to be everything you created me to be, I begged him when I had no control over my sexuality where I could be in this relatively healthy relationship, relatively before I started cheating and doing all that stuff with guys. Um, but I, I begged God to take it from me. Like, because I just because I was incapable of having a healthy relationship, and capable of anything that was normal or normal. I begged God to take it from me. Because like no woman that I want to be with, I can’t raise a family when I’m, you know, black, here it is, I’m in this relationship. And then I’m going off, and I’m being with men too. And like that, it’s just not going to work. Alright. So take it from me. God isn’t taken, it does. Like I don’t go sneak off and go cheat on my wife and, you know, do drugs and all the stuff I was doing before and disappearing for four days. I don’t do that anymore. That’s what I’ve been freed from. And I thank God for that. But my attraction to men is still there hasn’t gone away. If it hasn’t. And so it how can anyone judge somebody else when they don’t know their situation, they don’t know what God’s plan is for their life. Like, they don’t know anything, but they speak like they know what they’re supposed to be what they’re supposed to do and everything else. I think God that he hasn’t healed me from any of this, if he’s gonna heal me from it. The reason why is because I want to have these conversations, because I want people to understand. And when you people are judging and condemning others because of their sexuality, or what they desire. And again, I know sometimes it gets over the top, I understand all of that. But maybe God’s purpose for them was to not heal them yet. So they could have these conversations too. Because maybe this conversation is now being heard by somebody that’s living in the closet, feel shame feels like God doesn’t love them. They feel rejected from the church, and they have to go along with that you’re going to hell center in all the other names, that there’s people suffering in silence, because they’re scared of the persecution of the church, when the church’s own nose is not so clean, so to speak. All right, and it’s disgusting. And for that reason, I’m grateful that I’m not completely healed. I’m grateful that I still screw up all the time. Because I get to confess it, and I get to talk about it. And I’m never gonna sit here and pretend to be perfect, or Knakal like I’m some choirboy because I’m not. And but I’m, I’m grateful for you. I’m grateful for the word that you just said, and and I don’t know where you are with your relationship with God. Now, it’s none of my business. But I will tell you this. God is using you in a very big way, in a very important way, and in a way that only you only you can do. And, and I think it’s remarkable, because I know it goes beyond just you speaking out in that one video. Like you, you are doing good work in the community, and you’re speaking a language and speaking to people that the church can’t get to. And you’re showing them love, you’re showing them respect, but you’re also setting some really hard boundaries. Like to me you’re a leader, by setting these boundaries, and I have so much respect for you. And I’m very, very grateful that you gave me all this time to talk to you today.

Drag Artist Billy
Thank you so much. Now, it’s just important, and I’m just yeah, I’m very I’m very glad you you asked me to come on. I mean, I didn’t. I didn’t realize the things we were going to talk about which I prefer to not know. So it’s very, it’s very organic, and it’s honest, and I appreciate you hoping there.

Joshua T Berglan
Well, Billy, thank you so much. And please, oh, Please promote anything and everything you want to promote let people know where they can find you and support you.

Drag Artist Billy
You could find me on Facebook, I’m on YouTube under kitty, demure. That would be my my drag persona. Not it’s, it’s my persona and drag, and then Hoggarth assisity which is the one that’s really taking off is Instagram, Facebook, and YouTube.

Joshua T Berglan
Perfect. Well, I’ll have links, everything I create a media kit after every broadcast. We’ll have all your links there, and you guys can check them out and see what he’s up to Billy, God bless you. Thank you so much for your time. And

Drag Artist Billy
thank you so much.

Joshua T Berglan
I’ll be in touch Bye Bye. All right, bye. freakin love that guy. Told you so likeable? And if anything that this did, I hope and pray for those of you that are just I don’t know. I mean, I don’t want to lash out at anybody right now. But I just hope that your heart has been opened a little bit. Any pre judgments that you’ve had, I hope just went like a fart in the wind. That’s a good human being. And you know what? I promise you God’s using a promise you. And what can you say about that? How can you deny anyone that even attempts to deny that God is using him? You go back to church, go back to church. Anyway, I am so grateful for him and really enjoyed that. I probably could have talked to him for five hours but for the second time, listen, thank you for being here. And again, I hope it open your heart open your mind and and I’m not listening. I’m not asking you to accept sin. I’m not asking you to turn the other way to sin. But I’m asking you to open your heart and, and quit pointing the finger at other people unless if it’s in the mirror. God bless you. Thanks for watching.

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