How would Jesus handle school shootings?

What would Jesus say about the overturning of Roe vs Wade?

What would Jesus say about the LGBTQ movement?

Does the Bible really support slavery?

Was Jesus really white?

Why are most Churches segregated?

What is the Sound of Heaven?

On A Conversation w/ Joshua T Berglan & Casanova Green we dive into these questions with the Pastor from True Vision Christian Community out of Lancaster, Ohio and much, much more.

 

Meet Casanova 

Casanova Green is a writer, singer/songwriter, educator, and pastor. He is a 2010 graduate of Ohio Northern University with a BA in Language Arts Education with minor in voice and received an MFA in Creative Writing at the Etowah Valley Low-Residency MFA Program at Reinhardt University in 2018. Currently, he is pursuing a PhD in Rhetoric and Composition from Ohio University. Casanova is a member of the Southern Collective Experience and has been published in several publications including The Blue Mountain Review, Raw Art Review, and Fredericksburg Literary and Art Review. His first poetry collection, Things I Wish I Could Tell You, is slated for publication in 2022 by SCE Press.

He has done extensive ministry work since the age of nine and has served as a worship leader and choir director for over twenty years. He released his first album, A Worshiper Mentality, in January 2016; his second, Songs from the Journey: Part I, in August 2019; and his third album, Songs from the Journey: Part II, in February 2020.  You can find his music on all digital platforms.

Currently, he is the Owner of CGCreate, LLC and serves as the Lead Pastor of True Vision Christian Community headquartered in Lancaster, OH with outreaches and churches in South Carolina and India. He also works as the Journalism Program Manager at Hocking College. He and his family reside in Lancaster.

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Joshua T Berglan

Joshua T Berglan, aka The World’s Mayor, is a voice for the voiceless and is driven to elevate the passion, purpose, and mission of those he serves. Joshua is the Chairman of the Live Mana Worldwide Foundation & Live Mana Network, Shock-Jock Evangelist, International #1 Best Selling Author for the Book “The Devil Inside Me” a Producer, and Filmmaker. Joshua is an expert in the future of media and loves supporting others in helping make their dreams come true.

TRANSCRIPT 

Joshua T Berglan
What’s up everybody, my name is Joshua and welcome to a conversation with Joshua T Berglan so blessed to have you here. So grateful for each and every one of you that have found the live mana network either on your app store, Apple TV, Roku, Amazon Fire, podcast networks, thank you for your support. We are censorship free here and never have to worry about sensors or saying the wrong thing we can guess it could be the wrong thing considered to some people. But we speak what we are led to speak, and here on this network. And we don’t fear censorship. And we also don’t fear talking about issues that other people won’t talk about. And so I’m grateful for this network. I’m grateful for all of you who helped make it possible, because please know that it is not possible without you, my wife and I, we serve and only serve. So this network and our foundation to live mana worldwide Foundation, which this network is under. It’s possible because of you and of course, the Lord’s favor. So thank you, from the bottom of my heart, to every one of you who have given have helped make this possible, especially as we’re kicked off of, you know, Facebook, and I think I get to come back in a week. And anyway, none of that stuff matters. Thank you. And of course, I know people are watching other places. And thank you for that. You know, because no matter where you’re watching, it means a lot to us. Because I know there’s so much content out there, that if you’re choosing to watch this, it’s either to you don’t like what we’re talking about, or you do or you’re coming to have a deeper understanding of something through one of our guest, regardless of why you’re here, thank you really does mean a lot to my wife and I both even even the criticism. Yesterday, I had the opportunity to do a broadcast on the spirit, the spoken word broadcast that I do, called injustice. And, and it was a tough one for me to do. And here’s why is because while I experienced injustice, and I’ve dealt with my own injustice, you know, it’s nothing like what other people go through. I’m very, very blessed to go and experience the injustice is that I do. And I have, because it’s really woken me up to the fact that other people deal with some really crazy crap and ever since we’ve been on this journey, and interviewing victims of CPS fraud, or is it would that even be considered fraud when they’re just outright criminals. We’ve we’ve exposed the foster care system we’ve exposed, you know, trafficking, you know, people that were claiming to be in the fight against anti against human trafficking, and they’ve ended up being part of it. Like we’ve been able to do a lot of different things. And here, and and it tries to expose injustice, because in the end, from what our observation has been is that most of the people that are dealing with injustice, don’t get the platform to talk about it. And if they do get a platform, it’s typically somebody that’s part of the problem, not solution. And we want to change that. And I’m really grateful that God gave us the courage to just flat out say that we’re going to serve and only serve, we’re not going to charge for our services, if you are a ministry or nonprofit, or even an individual that has a passion for truth. And of course, we love the Lord’s truth here. But if you’re one of those people that I’m talking about, you want to create something that you want to get your voice out, please message us and you can do the reverse thing. You can scan that barcode, and get links to all of our information, our network, our foundation, you can contact us anything you want to do, but we are here to serve. And we want to get the truth out more than anything else. And of course, part of the truth. I always capitalize the T and truth because I don’t think there’s any truth without God’s truth. And so that’s why I do that. And I think that’s important. And of course, you know, some people say they’re telling the truth, and then they expose themselves to be frauds. But I believe it’s the Lord doing that. So if this medium that we have is doing that, then so be it, we’re gonna do it. But again, please, if you’re a ministry and nonprofit or just somebody that’s speaking truth, please reach out because we would love to help support you, with our media organization and also our network. So anyway, with that said, we don’t make I don’t really make a habit of interviewing pastors on this show, because our broadcasts don’t want to call it a show because it’s real. And it’s authentic. It’s not a show. I don’t typically do this because most pastors I’ve had on just like to talk the whole time like they go into sermon mode, and it’s really hard to have a conversation.

And that’s frustrating as much as I love my pastor friends, every one of them Do it. And I don’t know why but they do. But really, our guest today, and I think you guys are going to love with him to one because he’s going to have that conversation. I believe that we’re gonna go there where there is I don’t know. But I do believe that we’re going to discuss things that matter. There’s no prep, no one knows any questions except what you’re grateful for. But we’re going to have a conversation. And I hope that the Holy Spirit truly leads us to go into the deepest parts of our heart, and share honestly, authentically, and even boldly. And I pray that that happens in this broadcast today. And I also pray that it impacts you regardless of what your beliefs are, as you know, already, we have people from all walks of life that come watch or listen to the broadcast. We have atheist Buddhists, we have transgendered people, we have gay people, bisexual people, we have Muslims, we have Hindu, all are welcome here. And they’re all are welcome. And of course, you know where I stand. I love the Lord Jesus with all my heart. And I wouldn’t be here without him. But I thank you for being here to hear me. Talk about Jesus and subjects that you know, really do, at the core of it go back to Jesus, and my faith, and so on. So thank you for being here. All right, I’m going to tell you a little bit about our guest, and then we’re going to play a commercial. I just want to give you some context where Casanova, who is the world’s coolest name is coming from and then of course, we’ll bring him on shortly. Casanova green as a writer, singer, songwriter, educator, and pastor. He is a 2010 graduate of Ohio University, which is amazing and BA in language arts education. I couldn’t I couldn’t pass first grade. So anyone with a degree is like I have respect for it because I didn’t have the stamina to even deal with that I party through college. Currently, he’s pursuing a PhD in rhetoric and composition from Ohio University. Casanova is a member of the Southern collective experience and has been published in several publications, including the Blue Mountain review, raw Art Review, and the Fredericksburg literacy and Art Review. His first first poetry collection, you have to check this out. Seriously, look this up don’t stop the interview to look it up. But make a note to look this up. Things I wish I could tell you. I saw the book cover yesterday and God shows I it’s so I definitely want to read this. I love poetry. But I want to check this out. He has done extensive extensive ministry work since the age of nine, and has served as a worship leader and choir director for over 20 years. He released his first album a worshipper mentality in January of 2016. His second songs from the journey part one in August 2019, and his third album Jiminy Christmas, the students accomplished songs from the journey part two, in February 2020. You can find his music on all digital platforms and last thing Lastly, he is the current owner of CG create LLC, and serves as a lead pastor of the true vision. Love this name, true vision Christian community headquartered in Lancaster, Ohio, with an outreach and other churches in South Carolina in India. He also works as a Journalism Program Manager at hocking college. My Goodness How does he have time to breathe? He and his family reside in Lancaster ladies and gentlemen, you guys are in for an absolute treat today. We’ll be right back after this.

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ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. My name is Joshua T Bergland. This is a conversation with Joshua T. Berglund on the live mana Network. Thank you for being here, ladies and gentlemen is an honor I truly an accomplished human being somebody that has a true heart for the Lord. Somebody that just is doing. It seems like he’s doing the most and I’m excited to talk to him. Ladies and gentlemen. The one the only Casanova Gree What’s up, brother? How are you doing? Man?

Unknown Speaker
Doing good. It’s hard to turn my sweater on. Because you you, you flexing that jacket? I’m like, let me get my wife together real quick. All right.

Joshua T Berglan
Well, man, I listen, I’m so honored to have you here. And this I know, I’ve already told you that we’re gonna go there today. But I just didn’t tell you where. But before we go there, my man, what are you grateful for today? And why?

Casanova Green
I was actually thinking about this because I’m I do I need to have like a deep answer. Like, you know, I’m grateful for God’s favor. As I’ve that’s the honest truth, I’m grateful that God has blessed me to be able to do things, that if you look at the statistics, and the numbers I should not be doing. I should not be pastoring this church in like, literally the widest town, you know. I shouldn’t be I wouldn’t. I skipped steps. When I went from an adjunct instructor to running the department, there was no in between tenure track, it just went bam, bam, be to be able to have a book of poetry published. And even that was crazy. Like everything. Even I’m sitting in my office at my church right now. Because I’m on vacation, and I’m working on stuff still. And you know, just to be able to say we’re able to meet and gather in the space, and not just let it be a monolith anymore. But that community work and let let social justice work with all these things come out of this place to be a place of healing. And not just you speaking in tongues run around before. Just God’s favor is amazing. And I’m just grateful. People I would get you know the truth. You know, it’s the truth.

Joshua T Berglan
I know it’s the truth because my home church is literally fall on the floor talking in tongues getting knocked out by the Holy Spirit. I I remember that’s so funny that you say this because I literally remember the first time when I joined this church, it’s word of God Church in Oklahoma City. And it’s it’s still my home church. Even though I’m in Minnesota, I got the opportunity to do the Saturday night service with my old broadcast called gratitude. unfilter. And so I remember doing Saturday nights, and then on Sunday, I’ve come to church and I’m sitting there and the pastor called me up for the prayer line. And where people come and they want you to pray over him and put your hands on him. And I had never done this in my life. I was so so freaking out. But I used to think it was fake. I mean, I’m attending this church, I see people fall out. I used to think it was fake. And then the pastor calls me up there and I’m like, God, don’t you make me look like an idiot? You like give me the whole like Holy Spirit. I need you because if I look stupid, I’m never coming back. I’m never coming back. And I kid you not I start praying. I don’t even know what to say to this person. So I just start praying under my breath in tongues. And I put my hands on at a faith and it as soon as I like touched her forehead. She dropped and I felt this electricity through my arms go on who this is real, real through when of course I got cocky with it, you know getting to come up a couple more times. I tried it another time. Nothing happened. And she kept looking at me like and then I what is going on. So anyway, my point of all that is I’ve liked to make fun of it and tease it only because a I know it’s real. And b I know people fake it. So

Unknown Speaker
yeah, I’ve been to church all my life. Like go get a Don’t get up girl it’s,

Joshua T Berglan
it’s so weird. And I don’t even know how do you explain this to say somebody that’s just coming off of a bender, and they’re in church for the first time they’re trying to find Jesus trying to find something. And they see people just dropping like flies like, what does that even look like to them? Because there’s Christians that don’t believe it’s real.

Unknown Speaker
I literally have had to stop altar calls ago. Let me explain to you what’s happening right now. Because I’m, again, I’m a teacher, right? I’m a teacher, by by vocation and by nature, so it always bothered me. When people when the Holy Spirit would be moving, and stuff that’d be a little suspect happening. And but you know, God is moving in that I have literally stopped and said, All right, for those of you who are born, what the crap is happening, this is what’s happening. This is why it’s happening. This is a biblical backing for it. Because, you know, yes, the Holy Spirit moves in power, but also moves in decency in an order.

Joshua T Berglan
And that in, it’s interesting that we started here. Because this is, to me a true rep. This is a true example of a very complex relationship that believers have with each other because there’s so many different sects denomination sects as an S E, CTS, denominations, belief systems interpretations of the Bible, which Bible you use, which one you don’t, like, there’s a lot as if we are not divided enough in fueled by the media for our division, habit in our own church. Ken, I’m going to ask you, because you grew up in the church, and I’m kind of new, like, I always went to church, but you know, when I got old enough, I’d leave church and go party afterwards. And and I didn’t get my life to the Lord till six years ago. I that’s another long, crazy story. But so I’m kind of new at it. And I didn’t really understand how churches worked. And I just assumed everybody that worked in the church was super holy and perfect and all that stuff. Well, that’s not true. But growing up in the church, the way that you have at the age of nine, I think you said when you started in ministry, you’ve seen a lot of stuff. What do you think the true legitimate source other than sin other than the double? What do you think the source of all of this divisiveness is amongst believers?

Unknown Speaker
People wanting to people, plain and simple. Wow. The only thing that can stop a move of God is man. People is literally if you look at every single revival that has happened, you’re like who? If you look at every single revival, Azusa, Brownsville, even the Jesus people movement is in itself a form of revival. What stopped it is when man like like with your experience, you’re like, Okay, this ain’t real. You just you stick to stretch your handout and sister gorgeous fall and then you try to do within your own power and nothing happens. It’s us. It is us as it is our humanity. Because we want to capture magic in a bottle and keep something going will be when you’re truly led by the Holy Spirit as He shifts so to you

Joshua T Berglan
that’s the most honest and perfect answer really. I mean, you could have given a lot of different reasons but that is probably the most truthful

Unknown Speaker
it’s it’s obviously when you boil it down to it because here’s the thing as My grandmama says it’s not that deep dark or delicious. Let’s just get to the to the to the point of the matter it’s us the reason why the church in the body of Christ in America is the way that it is is us You can’t blame the devil for something that you want

Joshua T Berglan
it I have no I’m speechless. That is you could have just dropped the microphone and ran away after itself is true. You can’t you don’t matter the devil for having HIV but I got it because I was doing what I wanted. I was acting all of the all of that I’ve done I mean yes I didn’t ask to be molested. I didn’t ask to be abused, but I sure as heck asked for everything else.

Unknown Speaker
Right. And like, that’s the whole thing that people people be talking about. Like we give so much power to the devil, like, I remember growing up, like, ever heard about heard of the concept of testimony service when people would get up until their testimony. Yeah, the reason why people stopped because two people is either lying or give or glorify the devil. But I heard, praise the Lord saints, and then all the stuff, I grew up a black church, so they had to address everybody. And then then the devil in the base, if I just thought to be some mess, there we go. Because we give the devil too much power. And the thing is, the devil’s powers, our assume means you only you only get as much work as you give. Because we also have to understand that he was a creative being too if he want to keep it a buck 50. Yeah, bye, bye. He was he was the praise and worship leader and a husband who got real prideful and him and authority and just got kicked out. So he has assumed power, he assumed he got Howard, but we in our humanity, in our lack of response of self responsibility, give him more power than whether he really has.

Joshua T Berglan
It’s true. You can’t even you can’t dispute that. Which makes me ask the question. Is the devil just a figure of our imagination in the sense of of what we allow to take place on this world? In other words, we let our minds overrule good judgment, we let our minds overrule what maybe isn’t our heart, we act in off of instinct or react to things, but and then blame the devil for it. But when all actuality it’s us really just giving power to him?

Unknown Speaker
Pretty much. It’s not really I’m not saying that the devil is a figment of imagination at all, because there is proof that he is a creative being. And he does have other things with him. I would tell people, there’s a up there’s a down, there’s a left just right. There’s a heaven, there’s a hell, there’s a God, there’s a double, there’s demons, like I have literally seen, I’ve seen it. Like, I’ve literally, when I went to Kenya, I watched the medicine doctor, the medicine man translate himself from the back of the line to the front of the line. And I felt like the flat tire and the horror movies with all the white folk going, we’re not going in there, or we’re going in it, we’re not going in there. We went in there. So we have to understand that the feed might be planted by the enemy. But it’s up to us to water it or let it die. You’re right. What’s about was was the devil’s job, steal, kill and destroy. He’s the accuser of the brethren. That’s his job for a period. So. So if he if we know what his job is, then we need to be doing our job as believers. It could give him authority in place.

Joshua T Berglan
You’re right. And you know, and I asked that question wrong. I didn’t ask it the way I really wanted to. But you’ve the way you’ve addressed it is absolutely perfect. I know the devil exist. I know demons exist. I know bad spirits exist. Because I’ve they’ve been in me I know. I mean, the life that I lived, I get it. And gosh, I still the thing, my wife is now starting to experience these attacks where the devil tries to get you in your sleep, where you can feel it trying to penetrate your chest, you know, the spirits that come in. So I know that that’s real. So I know the devil is not a figure of imagination. But I do know that we give way more power to it and we succumb to the thoughts that then become US acting these things out. And you’re right about this. And I this also, I’m going to ask you, I know how important and what we feed our mind, with matters. In with all of the media, the way that it’s been lately, where it’s been an all out assault on our senses, where literally you can look online, and you have one article from the same source that will contradict the next article from the same exact source. And they’re putting this out there for us to see. And that in itself is a form of gaslighting, like unlike any other but this is all day, every day. We have propaganda coming from every angle to further divide us to further divide us and further divide us. And that is not what God I don’t believe for a second. That’s what God wanted for us. What is it? What is it going to take for believers to unite on truth so we can lead the way that we are supposed to, which is being the light in love and hands, the feet of Jesus Christ? How do we do that? And I’m talking the denominations, but more specifically, I’m talking about the racial divide that we have.

Unknown Speaker
Well, all the divides that we have because Again, the other thing about revivals, the strongest news loops that happen when we’re all together. We forget that Azusa was a multicultural move of the Holy Spirit. It was really, it was, it wasn’t just one on one, it was everybody. And it was a candy for that time. But what happened, man got in the way. If I started to split off because of race, because of other ideologies, I mean, I think even the Church of God or the Assemblies of God is an offshoot of the Church of God in Christ. So what the enemy does, is that he uses what divides us with clinical devices, to stifle the move of the Holy Spirit. The first thing that we need to do is, and this is the hardest step. And I’m seeing this even in ministry, and I’m gonna be completely honest with you. It’s rough, because I’m saying these things to people. And rather than going Hmm, let me decipher it, I’ve been called up like, I call it a false prophet yesterday. And just the biggest thing right now is repentance. If you are not willing to repent, for the sins of the people, in the sense of the church, nothing is going to change. Because a lack of repentance means that is your habit, and that is your personality. And the issue with the body of Christ right now, is that the church is unwilling to repent for its culpability in the racial and systemic divides that that form this country.

Joshua T Berglan
So I, okay, well, I hope I’m not interrupting you. But I wrote before you started Bible slash slavery.

Unknown Speaker
Let’s talk about that,

Joshua T Berglan
please, because I’m not I’m not a biblical scholar. And I want to preface this by saying these words to you before I ask the question, I believe the Catholic Church is basically the root of evil. I mean, that that is I mean, a lot of the evil that we experienced, I believe that when the way that Constantine gotten negotiated with the way, and then they became part of the Catholic Church, and the Roman Empire became a Catholic church. And that really became a pagan religion with all their statues, and all their gold in the riches and all that stuff. So I believe the Catholic Church at its very core from its inception is corrupt. I also believe that the control that they’ve had on the Bible, removing books, removing sentences, adding words, changing words out all that over history, has also been intentional, to confuse us to really, really separate us from what Jesus was really trying to say to us. Because when I read the Book of Enoch, I know some people say it’s not an anointed work, and they throw it away. But if you read Enoch, just like Nostradamus, a lot of those things are going are playing out right now. And you gotta go, huh? That’s curious to me. I read the Gospel of Thomas right. Listen to the Gospel of Thomas Jesus’s teachings. They say that that’s not an anointed work. Well, dead government, it sure sounds like Jesus to me. And yet, they took it out why, and then you have the things like be obedient to the government. And then, which I disagree with, because there’s no way that my God would want me serving these clowns that and I could list off all the things, but I’m not a Trump fan either. And I think he’s part of the problem. So then you got that, and then you got the slavery part in the Bible. And that with all my heart, every time I hear it, I go bullcrap. There is no way that God would ever, ever want us to have slaves. Now, could I be interpreting it wrong? Absolutely. But I would love for you to speak on that subject. Specifically how as an African American, a black guy, to me, you’re just my brother in Christ. I don’t. How do you read the Bible? And you see those words? Not go horse crap.

Unknown Speaker
So let’s talk about this. So the justification for slavery and also for racism is a misinterpretation of Scripture. Yeah, if you look at like, if you look at the instances of slavery, in terms of the people of God, it was supposed to be for a specific amount of time and or for it and for repayment of a debt or you are a spoil of war. Now, within that the slave was supposed to be treated just like a member of the family. See one of the shorter gospels easy to fill them out. I think it’s fair amount, I think so mine was written to the slave who became who became converted. But it was supposed to be, but it wasn’t supposed to be the way that slavery has become. So the framework of American slavery, when you really look at it, it’s more so the model of the Egyptians of what the what the Egyptian slavery looked like, in Genesis rather than the what the Bible says. Because there was major mistreatment. They’re all like, we know, we know the injustice of slavery. And I know for me, initially, especially growing up, I got really mad about that. And my mom was like, okay, here were the rules in the Bible. This was either you or spoil the war is to pay off a debt, this will be a specific amount of time. And then if you look at also the concept of Jubilee, during the year of during the year of Jubilee, that was a time for debt to be repaid and saved to be to be released. Hmm, I just believe it. I just blew your mind. Didn’t you deny? Uh huh. I don’t have you like, but so now let’s look at now let’s look at Christianity, and how it’s been twisted, in terms of the concept of race and the concept of battle. Okay, I’m gonna say some real bowl and real strong up in here, but the family and you said you told me to come on. If we look at the location of the setting of the Bible, most people in the Bible where at least my skin tone are a little bit louder, a little darker. Let’s talk about that. Because a lot of people thought, Well, Jesus was a black man. Well, Jesus was born in what is considered the modern day Middle East, so he has some pigmentation on him. Right. So people are so what the people in slavery did was that they painted these these, these biblical figures to look like the enslaver to disempower those who were the enslaved? Oh, yeah, yeah, why Jesus was depressing curl. That’s why

Joshua T Berglan
I know why Jesus is, uh, I know where that came from. I don’t know if this was white either. But go ahead, continue.

Unknown Speaker
So so they used so they made the, the heroes of the Bible look like they can slaver to not give the enslaved hope. And what we have to understand is that, that the earliest churches, one of the earliest churches, and one of the earliest groups of believers was actually Ethiopia. If you look at x, you like man, I’m gonna listen to if you look at x and think x 13, in particular, they had the Christian church was a multicultural, what we would not call multiracial expression. Because they had people all over the region. And we have to remember that that the Romans and also the Greeks were very diverse. And in Rome MB and becoming a Roman citizen, you are allowed to keep the customs of your people as long as you follow Roman law so the issue that we’re running into right now with this is that we are dealing with with generations of bad theology, actually, there I can even dare say heresy, but I’m being very careful with that word. Because people have used the Bible as a weapon of oppression and not a weapon of empowerment

Joshua T Berglan
Wow. Again, another my job unbelievable. Okay. How do we reverse this? Because it feels like you know, generate there’s generational curses. These are like, century curses, and in and this is like, deep rooted in our DNA. Now, it appears, how do we stop this? Because if the church doesn’t lead the way, the right way, I mean, my God, we have, we have people with all the infighting of with Christians, that the devil doesn’t even need to mess with anybody because they’re fighting. And then you’ve had the people that don’t believe in God or don’t believe that Jesus is the is the Lord and Savior. They’re looking at us like Christians, they don’t even get along, like we are. We’re not being a good example as a whole of the love of Jesus. James, this

Unknown Speaker
is gonna sound cliche, but I’m gonna break it down with everybody, all everybody close to Scripture, what Second Second Chronicles 714. If my people who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray, seek to seek my face and turn from their wicked ways. Then I will hear from heaven forgive their sin and heal the land. And then after that, we’re gonna talk about the after that the after that He says if you do this, there’ll be blessing and favor. But then after that, it says if you don’t, I’m going to make you and I and I quote, a proverb and a byword. Meaning I’m going to make an example out of you. What we’re seeing right now, is because we throw that Scripture but we’re not willing to do it. Because repentance to repentance reveals our culpability as the body of Christ, that we have not been Christ like. So not because we are not willing to say, Hey, we’ve had a hand in this, Hey, we repent for this. We are literally being made an example out of to show this is what happens when you forget the core of walking with God. The core message of the gospel is love God love people. That’s it. If you can’t do them two things, you can’t do anything else.

Joshua T Berglan
I want to tackle another issue. I love you, by the way, I love you. I just I had really appreciate the place that you’re speaking from. It is pride month. I, I wish we were gonna have a family month. But nonetheless, I listen, I don’t I want to make this also clear. I feel like I need to preface this statement. One of the biggest issues in my life, I was a, you know, over almost 20 year Chem sex addict and I had sex with about everything that walked. So I’m not like I’m not judgmental towards that, because I understand how it happens. And, and I refuse to speak out against gay people, bisexual people, or even transgender. Because I know a lot of them personally, and I know what they went through. And I know that, you know, even with myself after I get my life to the Lord, I still struggle bad. I mean, I still it creeps up every once in a while for me. But now, I feel like I have control over myself. And I’m not giving into the things that I was doing before again, chem sex addict. But I don’t. While I do not speak out against the LGBT community. I do speak out against the agenda. And and I do I have an issue with that because of where they’re pushing this and it’s going really far. It’s not just hey, I’m gay, please accept me, it’s, I’m going to wave my dildo dress in your face. And your kids are going to be watching wolves go into this parade with rainbows everywhere. Like it’s gotten out of control, as believers, and I know what the Bible says. And then of course, I know people are saying, well, that’s taken out of context. It’s not what it really meant. And I don’t know what the truth is. But I do know, and I stand by the fact that we are never going to open people up to receive the love of Jesus. If we’re destroying them or bashing them. We’re telling them they’re going to hell and they’re evil, and they’re scum. They’re abomination. I don’t believe that that is showing people the love of Jesus by saying that you’re an abomination. But if the Bible if we were to go off of what the Bible says about this, and then it’s a sin, how are we as believers supposed to operate or navigate this LGBT movement agenda?

Unknown Speaker
Oh, that’s a good question. I mean, that’s something I’ve had to deal with with my own history, molestation and sexual identity. And you know, I’ve done things with, with a little bit of everybody praise God, for healing for healing and restoration. If you would not exclude someone who has who is an alcoholic, if you would not excuse if you want to exclude someone who is a child abuser, if you would not exclude the robber, if you would not, like I can go down the list. Why do we why, why this group of people All sin, all sin, is an abomination to God. But it’s through the is through His grace and through repentance. I’m so glad we do. We do not live in the Old Testament, because all of us would have been smoked by now. But it’s through grace and mercy that we are here. And God is the God of every person. We were formed that his image and his likeness. So how dare we exclude a group of people because of because you’re uncomfortable what they do in a bedroom first of all, they bet will make your business there I mean, I’m sure you’re not listening to the Hillsong but while you while you’re doing your you’re doing things and stuff with your spouse, I shall wait I can’t do it. I cannot turn that off. I can’t I can’t work

Joshua T Berglan
you put your own. You put your own CD on right. I can’t

Unknown Speaker
listen. I love the Lord but right now I’m loving my wife. So I can’t be listened to that she won’t get to say that. But anyway, keepin it real. It is not the place of the church to exclude people from the cross that is, that is the antithesis of the gospel message. It is not our place to exclude anybody from the cross, because that is not what Jesus came all the way down from heaven, as the baby had to deal with us for 33 years and died on the cross roads again for Yeah, so who are who, by Who are we? Who are we Bible says, the Bible says, you know, Judge not lest you be judged to be judged by the same measure. What’s the measure the measure is the word of God. So if you want to throw the Bible at somebody else, you got to hit the beat the brakes off yourself with it, too. Who are we? In terms of the agenda, what we’re seeing people do is they’re fighting for a voice and for space. And had we been so willing to follow the gospel message, and to not just follow it, but live what we preach? We would not be dealing with the things that we’re dealing with right now. Walk it like your target. Exactly. Walk it like you talk, say with your whole chest lit and living. But the reality is the the church has been made so political. That they have become the Pharisees and the Sadducees. Remember, the Pharisees and the Sadducees, were not just the religious leaders, they were the governmental leaders that were that were upgrading at the pleasure of brown. Because remember, groups could keep their customs as long as they were following and abiding by Roman law. So we, as the body as the modern body of Christ, have to come to the realization that, that our LGBTQ community, they here, they’ve always been here. It’s only become taboo in culture during the 20th century.

Joshua T Berglan
Seriously.

Unknown Speaker
This whole big thing about it? Yeah, okay. 20th century because remember, homosexuality was considered a mental health disorder until 1977, I believe DSM two, yeah. And morphia has been removed from it has been removed from the DSM as of DSM six, for DSM five one of them. So, we have to, this is a reality. These are these are this community has been a part of our daily lives the entire time. But now they are more visible. So we have to church need to be like Jesus, and love.

Joshua T Berglan
Amen to that. I’m one of my favorite churches that I’ve ever been to. And, and I, you know, it’s, I have a rough relationship with the church, because I’m very open about my testimony. And I don’t hide I mean, I don’t do things the way that I guess is wanted. And, you know, we’ve been turned away a lot when we were just trying to serve and we have all these resources that we want to give away. And like, that’s why we have them and I’ve dealt with a lot of rejection from the church. It’s really, really hurt me. But there are some amazing churches out there. And one of them is when I first I went to the very first time I was there, I went to go hear TD Jakes speak for the Rock Church in San Diego. And I remember, not Erwin McManus. That’s in LA but what’s his name? The moment he’s a great pastor at the Rock Church in San Diego, I can’t believe I just brain farted on his name used to play in the NFL had it he was a former coke addict, turned his life gave his life to Jesus and he is in miles McPherson. In the very first thing that he has people do at the very beginning of church. You know, when that usually get up and shake someone’s hand today, welcome guest and told that he says, find someone that looks differently differently than you and tell them that you are perfect just the way God made you. And that is, and that’s when I moved to San Diego right after that started attending the church. I love that church. But that’s what I loved about San Diego was a melting pot of cultures. And it was beautiful to watch people worship. But everywhere else I’ve been churches relatively segregated. Why is that? Is that because of neighborhoods? Is that because of marketing or is that because we the different cultures and races worshiped differently? Why is that do you think

Unknown Speaker
it’s a mix because I’m in Lancaster Lancaster is about 96% White. So, building a multicultural church here has been fun because we We are a vast departure from whether it’s normal here.

Joshua T Berglan
I want to go to the church.

Unknown Speaker
Oh, come on 12 o’clock and Sunday’s Sundays Eastern Eastern time. We all know we all want to watch us. But our sound is different because true vision is birthed out of a merger of a church that was a merger of a predominately black, predominately white church. Who wanted to create that multicultural heart and multicultural mindset. That’s what’s so the sound of the churches and I was the minister of music at that church for five years, that I grew up in all that. So we come here, and it’s like, you get anything from elevation to Hezekiah, Walker hills, I will bust I will sing in Spanish. You know, also anything I write is fair game, because that’s the sound of well, everything here, it’s pretty much all the chip knowledge, depending on the denomination is the same sound, or how they present themselves is literally the same sound. But here, it’s so different. And also the preaching is different. And I was talking to one of my colleagues, who’s an atheist, he used to be a Christian, he’s an atheist. And he was like, being a rhetorician. And then also being a college professor, I dig out the word differently. Because I understand the rhetoric behind it, and how to look at context and look at everything, to really truly break down what US is saying, in the context that it was written in, and how can it be transferred to now. So we were an odd duck, because I’m like, I don’t care. I don’t care. If you need God, come home, I’m gonna sit here and judge you. It is not my job to talk about you. It’s my job to preach the word administer to you. Jesus never addressed anybody by their sin. The only time you saw it done was the woman at the well, because he used it as a word of knowledge to minister to her.

Joshua T Berglan
Hallelujah.

Unknown Speaker
It’s not my job, it’s not my job to talk to you about your sin. It’s my job to put she’s the one who can get you out of it. But I digress. The reason why churches are so segregated is one, it’s a systemic issue. Because my systems, we are segregated by themselves. It’s also cultural, though the expression of worship is vastly different. Except you get this mesh and are Pentecostal and apostolic expressions. But even then, there’s not that crossover because you’re still dealing with the systemic issues. Also, a lot of people of color do not like walking into white religious circles, because many of the many, many white churches do not want to address issues of the day. Or you have to assimilate fully to the expectation of that church. It kind of played against survive. However, you’ll see white people come in to community worship communities of color, because there’s more of a an accent, there might be a reluctance. But there’s more of an acceptance, there’s more will let you and will teach you will bring you in, shell Brady said something so profound in the midst of anything that was going on racially. She said, she’s like, I love the African American community. They’re the community that embraced me that taught me that raised me, that corrected me that brought me here, and I will never turn my back on them. Unlike other folk, which we will not name because, you know, I’m not gonna say we don’t have anything to say, don’t say that at all. Anyway. So there’s that fear, there’s that fear of acceptance or fear that I’m gonna be forced to assimilate? It’s literally like, it’s very difficult for people. And, you know, I’ve been offered actually, I worked as a worship leader at a predominately white, very mainstream mainline church, when I was in college, and it, it was an experience that I needed, I needed to be in that atmosphere. And I’ve been offered to be the worship leader at predominantly white churches. And I said this, and I was very being very honest. People want me for my sound, but not myself. I heard the saying it’s so people want a ribbon on our blues. So that’s why you see black and brown cultural expressions, and popular culture. You want the sound, you want the look, you want the braids you want, you want all this stuff, but you don’t want the struggle. And it’s the same way in the church. People want the sound people want the field, but they don’t want the struggle that help you help give the gratitude that creates the sound and the field.

Joshua T Berglan
Yeah, I It’s so funny that I mean, it’s not funny. It’s it’s interesting I because I, you know, I’d always heard about Elvis. And I was I think Elvis is highly overrated but then I now really know why he’s really overrated because he’s a talentless boo. But that’s another conversation. But he’s still go for the jugular. It’s how I am, ah, hey, it, it, but it’s, you know, in this style, and you blues and rock and roll and all the musicians before that the white artists, basically Jack their style. And this has gone on in popular culture. Not You’re right. It’s beyond the church, but it’s happening in the church too, which is really become a pop culture event. It’s become a rock concert, it’s become a show. It’s become smokes and lights. And listen, I know some great churches that have all that. But I gotta be honest, sometimes I feel like it’s a manufactured Holy Spirit experience when you brought up Hillsong Oh, my God, I don’t even understand. It’s worship music. But I don’t understand a frickin word. It’s saying. So how in the world is it really worship music. I’m not pouring out my heart. You don’t even need to know all the words. When you’re worshiping worship, it can just be literally saying I love you, Jesus, a million times from your heart. That can be worship. But everything else is pop culture, it’s manufactured, it’s a business opportunity. It’s another way to make money is we want to sound more like rock and roll to fit in, that we’ve all this stuff going on. And it just seems like the root of this is to distract us from truth. And if Jesus is inside of us, and we have all of this noise and distractions on the outside, how are we ever going to really get to know Jesus? And I don’t believe when I go into most churches. I’m not really getting to know Jesus. Right? And I could be wrong. But how do you take it’s kind of like, one of the hardest things, this is a I’m going to try to paint this example. I hope it works. But one of the biggest struggles I had as being a former Chem sex addict. It was well making love normally, I mean, even to my to my wife, and I have a healthy relationship. And God has restored my life all that I’ve lost. But even sex was very challenging without trying to pervert it without desiring drugs with it into it. So because I’ve become so desensitized to the physicalness, or the things that normally attract you, or make you arouse where you want to go make love. All that stuff was wiped out with me because I needed more needed more needed more and overstimulated myself with this. Well, that’s about sex. But when you bring in to the church, all the pop culture stuff, to make it more popular, to bring in more people to bring in more money for whatever those reasons are. But that’s why you do it. It’s that’s why you mark it. That’s why you come up with all the clever things that do draw people in because you want those numbers want that offering. How do you go from that to? Now I’m going to give you the full gospel, I’m going to give you the truth. We’re talking about what Jesus really said, we’re going to talk about obedience, we’re going to talk about repentance, all those things that don’t really want to talk about, how do you go from that to what I believe? Were the true origins of the church the way and just getting to the full meat of the gospel and punching us in the stomach with it? How do we do that?

Unknown Speaker
This is what I keep hearing in my spirit. There’s something that happens when it’s the sound of heaven. What is the sound of heaven, the sound of Heaven is what God is giving you that that bring that allows for the Holy Spirit to move. Because here’s the thing, people Oh, we invite you in Holy Spirit. Now he already if he omnipresent he already here you got to catch up to him. So when you think we everybody’s like Holy Spirit, you are welcome here. You’re not talking about the atmosphere, you’re talking about you. So the sound of Heaven is the sound that that is conducive to an authentic move of the Holy Spirit. So when the when the Holy Spirit is able to come in, because the Holy Spirit is not just miracle signs and wonders, he’s also a governor. That means the Holy Spirit is that thing that keeps you from cutting out that one person in your life but it’s also the thing also, we’ll also set order so that way the word can come forward, and that people can be receptive to it. That’s why yes, there are we had a service recently, where I was going to preach this message, I preached the first half of it as to 12 o’clock, we got the four o’clock and we did I preach a lick. We went from intercession to praise and worship got through one got through one actual song. And the musician didn’t show up. So I’m like, God was like, put this person here, do this. And I just began to sing. And the atmosphere began to shift. And I said, cut the feed. And we just went straight into all the we just went straight into healing and deliverance. Why don’t you follow

Joshua T Berglan
deliverance, by the way, is that because it would be misconstrued

Unknown Speaker
I don’t televise deliverance because of what spirits can transfer. And two, there are some things that are not meant for public consumption.

Joshua T Berglan
I can I, I think it would freak people out. See, you’re right. It does have context.

Unknown Speaker
Right. It’s like you know, if it’s in a moment, it’s like they may be able to get the if the feeds on the feeds on. But look at the feeds on the feeds on that that’s on them. Ultimately, people need to people need to be able to know that they’re safe for that deliverance.

Joshua T Berglan
You okay,

Unknown Speaker
yeah, I’m good. I was just checking something that people need to be safe to have that deliverance. It’s sometimes deliverance is not this. First of all, people people get on my nerves pit talking to the demon just cast it out. It’s true. I’ll tell him I just say I have no conversation, but no demon. But also, people, it might not be the frothing. But it might just be that sweet place. People need that place to be able to be vulnerable. And having a camera one does not provide for that vulnerability. No, by pure people give me grief because all you can see is the front of the church. Yeah, because you don’t need to be seeing what’s happening in the congregation. So back to the sound of heaven, when the sound of Heaven is released. The sound that God that God in the Holy Spirit is like, Okay, this is what this is the thing that we need to be in. That allows way for the word to be preached with power and authority. Which in turn has opened the hearts of the people to receive if they need prayer, they can get it if they need healing, they can get if they need deliverance, if they can get it if it just need to be like Amen, glory to God, let’s go to announcements. So be it to give people time to reflect and meditate on it. But people again, magic in a bottle, they want to get magic in a bottle like they want to get magic in a bottle so that they have the same experience over and over and over and over again. Till eventually people will start figuring out yeah, this would be inauthentic. Because even coming from a musician side certainties do certain things in the body. Does not be me being cryptic, just something I actually learned in music theory. Yeah, by the A flat is the key that bones resonate at. So you hear a lot faster music is usually in that key because it forces your bones because it makes you gin up. minor stuff and minor keys creates a solemnity and a somberness. So you can manipulate with the music. But a true move of the Spirit is a true sound of heaven. will literally I can be playing just a quarter see, if that’s what the Holy Spirit said though, we go over done. Just and I know for me as a musician, and as a worshiper, and even as a pastor, I have a responsibility to steward my walk with God so that when the sun of heaven can be released and I know with the music that I have been releasing, even the newest CD be released part three. With the newest CD we bounce it studio, we bounce between nine different genres and nine different songs. But you hear a thread in between all the songs. It’s not the um, this is me purposely, like this is me perfectly going. I’m not trying to make a worship album. I’m writing I’m creating an album. That is really sweet. getting to where I am in my relationship with God. It just so happens that we go out that you might end up like, at the end of it like you know the ugly worship crowd worship tree cry as the by the time we get to the end of it because that’s where my heart is. But the live out, especially part two, who we had church that day, part two, you see that you shift that sound of heaven, that we go from the depths of worship to We The last song went 22 minutes

Joshua T Berglan
that’s awesome. album but gospel.

Unknown Speaker
Like the sound this is true. If it was physical copies, it’s two CDs. The last song, what? 22 minutes, because we hit a vein and baby, we wrote it out.

Joshua T Berglan
But that’s how I pursued that. I love that you said that because to me, I love the churches where you never know when you’re getting out. Like this is the start time. But I don’t know when it’s going to end. What are you going to do if you stick? And again, I mean this sincerely. I’m not trying to bad mouth mega churches or anything like that. There’s some great ones great, great men of God, that lead these churches and some women too. But when they know, I’m speaking for 28 minutes you’re gonna really interrupt the Holy Spirit. Like if you get the Spirit moving here. This is not a you can’t make it to that’s where I get bothered. Because it’s so manufactured. Everything seems to be okay, camera position here. You stare here, this this you do this way, this way this way. And everything is like is predictable. But the Holy Spirit is not predictable.

Unknown Speaker
So here’s what I tell people. Our service is slated to end at 130 depending on who’s preaching, we’ve gotten out at 1245 or 1234. And that the top 30 was me preaching because I’m going to say no Atlanta to a place of worship, we’re going straight to this word. Like what like we went straight to the word

Joshua T Berglan
breaking the rules at church who did How dare you?

Unknown Speaker
Right there was cool with it. It’s like, okay, but I always tell them it’s the Holy Spirit is still moving at 130 We still got one there for Sunday’s, we’ve gotten out late. They’ve been fine with it.

Joshua T Berglan
That could be the difference of saving someone’s life or not. Right.

Unknown Speaker
There’s one time we use our service at two o’clock a man drove all the way from Athens, Ohio, because he heard that we were mistreated, believed in healing and deliverance. And we literally labored with that may not be altar until 530

Joshua T Berglan
That’s church

Unknown Speaker
that’s right. That’s

Joshua T Berglan
centers they don’t cry in the middle of surgery.

Unknown Speaker
Right I’m literally like you drove all the way up here from Athens Ohio. And like we saw the Spirit manifesting during service we literally we labored with that man until he got his deliverance

Joshua T Berglan
mask you something do you look at the five Oh, the 501 C three that you know, like were theirs. Do you look at the 501 C three is a blessing or curse are both

Unknown Speaker
a blessing let me tell you in SAP 1000s of dollars already Praise God. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Praise. Yes. Because it is it’s a tool. It’s just it’s like anything else. It’s a tool. If you’re preaching the gospel as the gospel is to be preached, you won’t break the rules that govern it.

Joshua T Berglan
So do you ever feel limited that you can’t speak out against the government because of the 501 C three.

Unknown Speaker
Here’s the thing because because remember, you remember what I do in my outside of church life. I noticed the First Amendment and I understand what protected speech is. There is a way to speak truth to power you using the Bible? It makes sure that everything you’re saying is pointing back to God and not your opinion. Wow. Because if you are truly walking in the operating in the prophetic so I keep looking at my phone because I’m supposed to have another interview right now but they sent me nothing about how to get on it. We did it because this is this is more important right now. Shout out to the people that this this is more important right now. If you are truly operating in the prophetic, and the prophetic is not just you’re gonna get a million dollars hallelujah. The prophetic is designed to speak truth to power to either affirm that you’re walking in the will of God or to put you back in line. So if you are truly fulfilling the prophetic role, you are going to have to speak about issues of the day, and specifically issues of the government. Because the prophets particularly in the Old Testament, were advisors to kings and queens, and they could not be wrong. That’s why you always saw the soothsayers getting often stuff because the prophets were truly speaking the Word of God. Now, that’s the whipping out this gonna get you. A true prophet is able to speak truth to power, truth to governmental systems in a way that will still honor God. Because in the end, we are not supposed to be totally political. We are supposed to be an outside watcher who says, Hey, y’all get it together or good job y’all. Yay. It is not our job. Because Because my mama told me if you are getting bed with dogs, you’re gonna get fleas. True. And remember, our faith is the foundation of everything that we do not a hindrance. So if I’m able to speak truth to power, as a prophetic voice speaking what God is calling for calling to be said, it can it will not bring you to a point to where your tax, your tax status is in question. Now, the issue is when you start opening, as Shakespeare said, about Romeo and Juliet, about Rosalind, she will not open her up her lap to sixth edition lust, meaning she wouldn’t give him any of any of the good stuff. But the thing is, the church is is opening her left to St. seducing lust. That’s where it gets murky. Because you’re so you’re so focused on on politics, you’re forgetting about posture and position and the presence of God. A true prophet, a true prophetic voice, oh my god, I’m trying to get this point across. He keeps giving me stuff. A true prophetic voice is able to speak to power. And even if people disagree with it, if it’s an order, there is no repercussion. Wow.

Joshua T Berglan
That is That’s powerful. I mean, powerful. I and that’s a good reminder for me, because I am so passionate about getting truth out that sometimes I let my opinions take over and not wait on the Lord. But you’re right to when you speak it, you get a word or you get something from the Lord that He wants you to speak. And you say it. It has a way of working in a way that we can never. We couldn’t orchestrate on our own if we wanted it to. Wow. That is I think I can talk to you for four days. I want to ask you to okay, this isn’t the last question because I know you gotta go. I will. Because what I appreciate about you, Casanova. I mean, I appreciate a lot about you. One, I love your heart. But one of the thing I appreciate you is that you are just answering questions, honestly, and backing it up with Scripture and, and I can appreciate that you’re doing it all while not preaching and going through that song and dance. school shootings right now, are are a problem. And they’ve been a problem in America for a long time. There are some people that believe that some of this is manufactured because they believe the government wants to take it to take our guns. Having read agenda 2030 and all the things that I’ve read. I believe that there could be some definite truth to that, that because there’s an agenda to remove our weapons so that they can further enslave us. That’s where I believe again, because I’ve read agenda 2030 I know about the great reset, and I’m very, very, very informed on the fourth industrial revolution. That said I’ve seen all of these different scenarios of all the different things People put military there, give teachers guns, all of this stuff. There’s a lot of different opinions. It’s a very polarizing subject. In your opinion, if Jesus was sitting here today, and he was talking to all the school officials and all the decision makers of all the schools, what do you think Jesus would say to them about this situation?

Unknown Speaker
I think Jesus is saying to them, they everybody’s tripping. Okay, here’s the reality. And I say this as a former high school teacher, who I didn’t teach in the pretty schools I taught in inner city, inner city, Columbus, I come back. Okay. All right, downtown Columbus River, Frank. I, so I’ve really taught students who have committed murder. I’ve taught students who did not have get home lives. I’ve taught students who we literally had to, like have pink slips to the hospital because they had all these issues. First of all, Jesus was say, meet the need. What is the need? Why are all these students bodies, students coming in so broken? That they’re that they’re rather than get healing and help, they’re just going to walk in and kill their classmates and their teachers and in and of themselves as a last resort. When if you look at each school shooting, there are always indicators. There were always indicators that something was happening, but people ignored it in favor of maintaining systems. I’ve learned as an educator that you’re dealing with people teaching is a ministry. I did more ministering than teaching half the time. Because that’s too much going on here. Look at look at what I have to say about English, if they didn’t have food, if they were depressed, and everything about killing themselves, if their parents were abused, I can go and have experiences up the wazoo. Even now teaching college, like I literally have to pull students into my office and go and like literally minister to them, like help, I’ve had to help several young ladies deal with with abuse situations. Because we don’t meet the need, Jesus came to meet the need.

Joshua T Berglan
You know, and you’re right when we have the nuclear family has been completely destroyed, or not completely destroyed. But, you know, we’ve broken away from that we don’t value family divorce is what it is. And then we have, you know, the cheating, the abuse, the addictions, all these things that are just rotten, the very, very core where children are raised, and they’re growing up in these hostile environments. And it’s really, really sad. And then we have that in a big part. Or maybe it’s a subset of that issue. We have our leaders promoting abortion, like it’s free burger night at McDonald’s. And listen, I’ve pressured multiple women into getting abortions i There’s no telling how many children I’d have right now. With all I’ve done, I’ve had women that had abortions behind my back because they wanted nothing to do with my child, because they thought it was going to be a demon child. But maybe they were right. But looking at this now, and stepping out of it, and as Jesus has changed my heart, I used to be like, hey, it’s a woman’s decision. Who am I to say a word about this? And then I started, like, for random reasons would speak to an X or someone that had had the abortion and hearing how they were affected by it, and how it’s messed them up even now. And then I have my own two stepdaughters that I love as if they’re my own children. I swear to you, I think God designed them for me even though they didn’t come from me. I see them. I see all you know, I just I see children differently than I ever did where I want never wanted anything to do with them. Now I love kids and, and want to help the youth with all my heart anyway, the point of all that is to say that I look at abortion and I see it as coming completely wrong, even if you’ve been raped, even if you’ve been molested the miracle in itself that a baby can come out of a woman. That is such a miracle that I have a hard time believing that God doesn’t have a purpose for that child, even if it’s a child of rape, or no incest or something else at the same time, I also think it’s counterproductive for us to march outside of abortion clinics and tell these women they’re going to hell and making them feel like absolute dog poop. I don’t think that that’s the way but what is how would in your opinion Jesus speak to or attack or not attack how would Jesus deal with this agenda to try to force to pop your lies abortion again like it’s free burger night? How if Jesus was here, how do you feel he would address this situation

Unknown Speaker
there will be people standing on an abortion clinics, I can tell you that he would teach them how to love ultimately, what people decide to do if we for it or against it, they gonna do what they do. Jesus I think Jesus was show him show them the same love and compassion as he did for the woman who was who is about to get stoned for adultery. And we can infer from the story that some of her adulterers, some of the people who she was lit was it had stones in their hand? Because let’s just keep it this keep it honest. All these people who are like, Oh, abortions Baron baba, baba, baba Bah, if their daughter had an unplanned pregnancy and they had the means to get rid of it, they probably let me keep me keep it real on this show. We’re gonna keep it real and show. Love. Love them through it, if she chose chooses to get an abortion, you love her. If she chooses to keep the baby, you love her. If she chooses to give the baby up for adoption, you love her. If she’s having issues because of the trauma associated with the birth of that child, you love her and love. It’s not just oh baby, it’s okay provide the mechanisms for her and that child to thrive? The issue is the church is asking for something that they have not prepared themselves for. Because a lot of people say they’re pro life, but they’re really pro fetus. Once that baby comes comes to the outside world, they want nothing to do with it. The Mother, the Father, or anything has to do with it, because it does not fit into what their bubble is. So my thing is this, okay? Roe v. Wade gets overturned, which was your long term ramifications for that, because it affects the privacy for women’s health in general, it knocks us back 100 years, because women are not women and older teenagers are not able to get necessary medical procedures, or at least be able to do them in a private manner. That’s something that people don’t think about. Because they only think about this one thing. My question to the body of Christ is this. Do you have the mechanisms to deal with all the children who are going to be born? Because abortion gets outlawed? Is your church willing to open his doors to these women to the to these fathers during the picture and to these children? Are you willing to help meet the need? Are you willing to to adopt these children to provide support? Are you willing to do the necessary things so that way this child has the chance to thrive? And the track record says Now for most people this there are organizations who are trying to do the work but but the body of Christ universal right now, the answer is now. You’re right. Because you don’t look like you know, if you don’t let me walk like me talk me I’d like to speak in tongues like me do what I do say what I say, though, like me, I want nothing to do with you, which is a totally against the gospel until they get the word of God.

Joshua T Berglan
You now the and this and this goes for the same I again and I’m speaking now to all the people that have been rejected and shunned from the church and still love the Lord or you’ve turned away from God because of that. You know, I want you all to know that I get it. I get it when you they it’s like you get recruited really hard to come into the church like oh, we’re a hospital for sinners. And you get there and you tell them your sin. It’s not the same love. It’s like they’re done with you. And the box and you know, one of the things that I believe that AAA meetings do right and NA meetings do right is that when you when you show up and you’re a new person, there’s people running up to you to give you a phone number. You need anything. You call me. You shoot me a text. I will be there for you. We’ll go to a meeting together. The church Yeah, they’ve got the greeters. Yeah, they got the people that are praying with you. But they’re not really going after the one the way that they talk about Jesus doing. And I want to see that change. And let me tell you something, man, I, if there’s anything that we can do for you, and your ministry, we will do it because I believe I’ve never heard such honesty from a preacher in my life. And I’m grateful for that. And I’m grateful that we cover it, I have 20 more things I could talk to you about. But I will welcome you back anytime. Anytime you have something to share or promote, it doesn’t matter. Like you’re welcome back here and anything that we can do, if we, if it’s distribution, if it’s it’s will podcast, TV, show, whatever, for your ministry, we will happily do that for you all because I love what you’re doing. I love the way Jesus shines through you. And just so grateful for you, man. And if you can tell everybody where they can buy your books, where they can get your CDs, and also how they can watch your church. Please let everybody know.

Unknown Speaker
All right. So this is gonna be long to see if I remember everything. So let’s start. First, let’s talk about true vision. We are I love this church. I mean, I told my church said if I wasn’t the founder and the pastor Octo here we are a multicultural, multigenerational expression of God’s love and the earth that and our model is that we are a culture of shares and our mission is to save. He he’ll align people restore, equip and release. That’s what we do. Not just in the spiritual but also in the physical, because we want to see people hold. And we want you to leave, leave out of this place better than you were when you came in. So if you’re in the Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area of southeastern Ohio, we’re located at Seminole six was wheeling Street in Lancaster, Ohio. Service is Sundays at 12 Starting in July 1 to third Sundays at 12. And then we have something called the our three encounter, which is our monthly evening service, which is third Sunday, except for this month, we’re not having it at all, because third Sunday is Father’s Day. So there’s Sundays at four o’clock. They’re starting in July, we will not be having service on four Sundays. That is our family Sunday. And our goal and our focus is to minister to our families to rest to have fun, like I want to take my kids to Cedar Point and actually be able to enjoy it. So we’ll be doing that in our fifth Sundays, we’ll be doing some really cool themed Sunday’s, we’ll be doing Vacation Bible School thing, and our harvest party will actually be our fifth Sunday service in October. So you can come join us in person, you can watch us online on Facebook and YouTube. You can also listen to us on our pod on our podcast, which is on every single podcast service you can think of is just search tree vision. You can yell at your Google or your or your Alexa and Google Play as well. And we’re also on the radio locally on W LRI 8.9. FM on Wednesdays at 1130. Our program is called the encounter. And it’s 30 minutes of power in sermons not just for me, but from pretty much anybody who picks up a mic in this church, you’ll get to hear them. This past this past program you have to hear from my aunt, Pastor Denise was she preached a powerful message entitled forgive and forget. So we need your support, we are starting a campaign called from 10 to tabernacle, because we have been called to the neighborhood that we’re situated in. And we are a very small church. So we need people from all over the globe to help us the globe the goal is for us to raise $100,000 by September of 2023 which will mark our sixth anniversary. So right now we’re in phase one where we need to raise $15,000 12,000 covers the rest of our rent for the for the year that we have for on the lease. And then 3000 is for necessary upgrades to make our online worship experience much better for everybody here. So you can go to our website, we will have the page of the next few days we feel like and I’m gonna give now and it’s not up go the tree vision likes.org/giving Just put t to t or tend to tabernacle and so we can make sure that goes to that. Now for me. You can you can learn more about me at CGTrader dot online CG my initials create dot online. If you want to book me to come speak to your church to a poetry meeting Writers Workshop concert stand on my head whatever. Please feel free to sign up there. I miss traveling. And I really want to travel. Also my book my pride and joy of things I wish I could tell you published by Ste press is available at all booksellers. Listen, y’all. I got the numbers. And we got some work to do. So listen, it’s $10 you can order it. Any bookseller. If you want a signed copy. You can order it directly from me as soon as you create that online. It will bless your socks off. It is not. The palms are not, Oh, Jesus. He’s a puffy cloud. We keep it real. We talk about faith, we talk about family, we talk about testimony. There’s one poem in the firt, the very first poem called unpacking the journey, you’re gonna, you know, Joshua, you’re gonna love that you’ll be like, Man, man, he just set the whole thing and one poem, but it’s amazing.

Joshua T Berglan
Started off. That way. You said one sentence, I’m like, we can quit now.

Unknown Speaker
The first story that read the whole book now, also, it’s been supportive. And one of the people who blurbed my book is Jericho Brown, who’s the 2020 Pulitzer Prize winner for poetry, and has been one of the mentors of my poetic career, that meant that man can write, let me tell you, you can also get all of my music on any digital retailer stream at about 1000 times. But if you’d like man cast, I want to directly bless you, you can go you can order directly to the website, CG create dot online, you can go to my Bandcamp, where my full discography is there, including things that have not been released on streaming platforms. So there’s like some pre 2016 stuff that’s really good that’s available. And if he’s just like Castro cool, I’m gonna support the work that you do when we’re not about the siege trades, not a nonprofit, but we happy if you want to slide something, we’ll be happy to receive it with joy and gladness and gratefulness. Because there are some things that God’s calling for me to do. And the next album will be recorded on August 13. Right here at true vision.

Joshua T Berglan
That’s what’s up man. Casanova, you are truly one of my favorite guests I’ve ever had I, I just love your authenticity, and, but also your heart for the Lord your heart for people. And also, I genuinely wish more churches would adapt the model that you have in the sense of making it multicultural, because we can all learn so much from each other. And, you know, I think the the most proper and powerful thing that we can ever unite around is the love of Jesus. And, and I believe churches and ministries like yours, are helping lead the way with that. And so I’m grateful for your time. And I’m grateful. I mean, i we i That was the an hour and a half. Okay, wasn’t expected that we went an hour and a half, and it was like it felt like 10 minutes

Unknown Speaker
to get charged service.

Joshua T Berglan
Seriously, your announcements went about along as a church service, too. But that’s all I’m glad. Listen, I can’t wait to check out the poetry book. And I’m actually going to go on YouTube music and find your stuff. And so I can listen to it. And I’m tired of the rotation that comes. I started listening to gospel house music. Yeah. Listen to Hillsong anymore.

Unknown Speaker
Yes, I love gospel house. You’ll like the newest album, then.

Joshua T Berglan
God bless you, Casanova. We’ll see you soon. God bless you. See you in what a blessing Casanova is, I encourage you to check out the poetry book. Like I said at the beginning, all I saw was the cover. And I had chills. And I can tell with his speaking voice, that I’m going to love his singing voice. So I can’t wait to check out his music, too. I’m just so grateful that I could ask him the questions. He had no idea any of the stuff I was going to ask him. None, no clue. And that’s how he answered I met too. So cool. I hope he comes back. I hope you’re blessed for watching this Heavenly Father, thank You for this. I thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I pray that you use this broadcast to bless other people, no matter where they’re at with their relationship with you whether they have won or not. I hope that people that have been skeptical of who you are of the Bible of the love of Jesus, I hope all of that has been washed away with these questions and his answers that I believe just came directly from you. And I thank you for that because I think this conversation was needed. I know it was needed for me. So I hope it was for other people too. But thank you thank you think you Please bless Casanova’s ministry. I bless His purpose, and bless his dreams. I love you. In Jesus name. Alright, folks, have a good one. We’ll see you soon. Thank you for being here.

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